Chacon to close

gyb13 · 12-17-2003, 02:45 AM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1687547

Rox pitcher Shawn Chacon, who has started all of his 71 games in the majors (coors-inflated 5.10 ERA, -1 RSAA), is being converted to be the team's closer.

good move by colorado?

SmedIndy · 12-17-2003, 08:36 AM

He's had some arm trouble, hasn't he. This may be the best way to save his arm - but I'd rather start him.

LeGrandOrange · 12-17-2003, 09:44 AM

Not totally sold on this...do they have a replacement for him in the rotation? And after Jennings, who else is even in it?

gyb13 · 12-17-2003, 12:09 PM

Code:

COLORADO ROCKIES 2003
GAMES STARTED                   GS       ERA     RSAA    
T1   Darren Oliver                32     5.04       -5   FA
T1   Jason Jennings               32     5.11       -6   
3    Shawn Chacon                 23     4.60        3   
4    Aaron Cook                   16     6.02      -17   
5    Dennis Stark                 13     5.83       -9   
6    Scott Elarton                10     6.27       -8   
7    Chin-hui Tsao                 8     6.02       -6   
T8   Denny Neagle                  7     7.90      -12   
T8   Jose Jimenez                  7     5.22       -5   FA
T8   Nelson Cruz                   7     7.21      -14   min
T11  Jason Young                   3     8.44       -9   
T11  Cory Vance                    3     5.60       -2   
13   Todd Jones                    1     8.24      -15   FA

Their rotation ended Jennings, Neagle, Oliver, Stark, and Cook. They've acquired Joe Kennedy from TB, who replaces Oliver.

sweaver · 12-17-2003, 12:56 PM

The only good reason I can think of to move a good starter to the bullpen is if he has durability/injury problems. In this case, I think it's justified.

LeGrandOrange · 12-17-2003, 01:43 PM

I understand it more now...I recall Chin-Hui Tsao being someone the Rocks were big on, and I'm now believing that he's the replacement.

I still believe Chacon's a better starter, but Colorado knows his stuff a lot more than I've ever known, so they must know what's right for him.

gyb13 · 12-17-2003, 01:59 PM

i think they see a combo of his stuff (fastball-curve combo) and his injury woes....

cubfan33 · 12-18-2003, 09:52 PM

And Dan O'Dowd seems so smart ...

Come on, does anyone actually believe closing is easier on your arm than starting and if so, prove it to me. I'll give you full credit in the book.

gyb13 · 12-18-2003, 09:55 PM

less innings pitched?

LeGrandOrange · 12-18-2003, 10:01 PM

Look at Eric Gagne...he was an ineffective starter with potential before the Dodgers moved into the bullpen...next thing you know he's the best closer since Eckersley. A lot of that came from the fact he didn't have to hold back with his pitches. It's why Smoltz has success closing. Chacon may not follow that blueprint, but the thinking is likely he has good stuff and he needs to show it.

Rajah · 12-18-2003, 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubfan33

And Dan O'Dowd seems so smart ...

Come on, does anyone actually believe closing is easier on your arm than starting and if so, prove it to me. I'll give you full credit in the book.

Thats the theory behind Smoltz moving to closer. He had elbow surgery a month or 2 ago. Its only once case, but it certainly supports your theory Will.

sweaver · 12-19-2003, 08:03 AM

Why else would veteran pitchers who have trouble with the stamina needed for starting move to the bullpen?

It's CW, which of course doesn't mean it's right. But it sounds right.

gyb13 · 12-19-2003, 08:19 AM

what's CW???? common w.....?

sweaver · 12-19-2003, 08:38 AM

Sorry. Conventional Wisdom.

12-17-2003, 02:45 AM	#1
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	Chacon to close http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=1687547 Rox pitcher Shawn Chacon, who has started all of his 71 games in the majors (coors-inflated 5.10 ERA, -1 RSAA), is being converted to be the team's closer. good move by colorado? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-17-2003, 12:09 PM	#4
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	Code: COLORADO ROCKIES 2003 GAMES STARTED GS ERA RSAA T1 Darren Oliver 32 5.04 -5 FA T1 Jason Jennings 32 5.11 -6 3 Shawn Chacon 23 4.60 3 4 Aaron Cook 16 6.02 -17 5 Dennis Stark 13 5.83 -9 6 Scott Elarton 10 6.27 -8 7 Chin-hui Tsao 8 6.02 -6 T8 Denny Neagle 7 7.90 -12 T8 Jose Jimenez 7 5.22 -5 FA T8 Nelson Cruz 7 7.21 -14 min T11 Jason Young 3 8.44 -9 T11 Cory Vance 3 5.60 -2 13 Todd Jones 1 8.24 -15 FA Their rotation ended Jennings, Neagle, Oliver, Stark, and Cook. They've acquired Joe Kennedy from TB, who replaces Oliver. __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-17-2003, 01:59 PM	#7
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	i think they see a combo of his stuff (fastball-curve combo) and his injury woes.... __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-18-2003, 09:52 PM	#8
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	And Dan O'Dowd seems so smart ... Come on, does anyone actually believe closing is easier on your arm than starting and if so, prove it to me. I'll give you full credit in the book. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

12-18-2003, 09:55 PM	#9
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	less innings pitched? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-17-2003, 08:36 AM	#2
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	He's had some arm trouble, hasn't he. This may be the best way to save his arm - but I'd rather start him.

12-17-2003, 09:44 AM	#3
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Not totally sold on this...do they have a replacement for him in the rotation? And after Jennings, who else is even in it?

12-17-2003, 12:56 PM	#5
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	The only good reason I can think of to move a good starter to the bullpen is if he has durability/injury problems. In this case, I think it's justified.

12-17-2003, 01:43 PM	#6
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	I understand it more now...I recall Chin-Hui Tsao being someone the Rocks were big on, and I'm now believing that he's the replacement. I still believe Chacon's a better starter, but Colorado knows his stuff a lot more than I've ever known, so they must know what's right for him.

12-18-2003, 10:01 PM	#10
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Look at Eric Gagne...he was an ineffective starter with potential before the Dodgers moved into the bullpen...next thing you know he's the best closer since Eckersley. A lot of that came from the fact he didn't have to hold back with his pitches. It's why Smoltz has success closing. Chacon may not follow that blueprint, but the thinking is likely he has good stuff and he needs to show it.

12-19-2003, 08:03 AM	#12
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Why else would veteran pitchers who have trouble with the stamina needed for starting move to the bullpen? It's CW, which of course doesn't mean it's right. But it sounds right.

12-19-2003, 08:19 AM	#13
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	what's CW???? common w.....? __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-19-2003, 08:38 AM	#14
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Sorry. Conventional Wisdom.

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