Who is the Greatest Lefty Ever?

sweaver · 12-09-2003, 10:42 PM

It struck me that there is room for debate on this issue. In honor of the life of Warren Spahn, here are the men I feel have some claim to the title: vote for the one you think is the best LHP of all time.

TGwynn19 · 12-09-2003, 10:50 PM

I don't think this one is close. Lefty Grove by a mile. He and Walter teeter todder one and two all-time for me.

Wolf Hopper · 12-09-2003, 11:04 PM

Code:

MODERN (1900-)
LHP with seasons of RSAA >= 50

1    Lefty Grove               9   
2    Randy Johnson             6   
3    Carl Hubbell              3   
T4   Hal Newhouser             2   
T4   Steve Carlton             2   
T4   Lefty Gomez               2

No one else had more than one.

This vote is for Grove.

TGwynn19 · 12-09-2003, 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

Code:

MODERN (1900-)
LHP with seasons of RSAA >= 50

1    Lefty Grove               9   
2    Randy Johnson             6   
3    Carl Hubbell              3   
T4   Hal Newhouser             2   
T4   Steve Carlton             2   
T4   Lefty Gomez               2

No one else had more than one.

This vote is for Grove.

Are you kidding me?? Koufax never had two???

Wolf Hopper · 12-09-2003, 11:07 PM

Sandy had just one.

LeGrandOrange · 12-09-2003, 11:20 PM

I voted for the Unit. No offense to Lefty Grove, but I've never seen him pitch in my life and I've actually witnessed how ridiculously dominant Randy is. Johnson is probably a modern-day Grove, and I think there are times where he's better.

Of course, I just like Randy.

But I honestly believe he's the best lefty of all time right now.

Skip · 12-09-2003, 11:25 PM

Grove just has too many numbers racked up for anyone else to compare, regardless of era, etc.

SmedIndy · 12-09-2003, 11:32 PM

Lefty Grove is my vote for the best pitcher EVER! So there's no video - BFD! He was the man!

pwdennis · 12-09-2003, 11:42 PM

Lefty Grove

Warren Spahn second

tyruschen · 12-10-2003, 12:20 AM

Robert Moses Grove, period.

Maybe this question should be the greatese pitcher ever and we'll see some "competitive balance"....

huskerdru · 12-10-2003, 09:43 AM

Yeah, it's Grove, and it's not even close.

KCBOOMER · 12-10-2003, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGwynn19

I don't think this one is close. Lefty Grove by a mile. He and Walter teeter todder one and two all-time for me.

What Tgwynn said. This isn't close. Just about anyway you want to slice the pie it will come up Grove. He had the whole package. Longevity and dominance.

gyb13 · 12-10-2003, 10:22 AM

lefty's the top lefty.

nyy26wc · 12-10-2003, 12:22 PM

Definitely Grove.

Ytown Tribe fan · 12-10-2003, 04:12 PM

I'm Spahnie's biggest fan. No one ate up innings better than Spahn, ever. But when it comes to quality innings, preventing runs, year after year after year -- no one comes close. Not Pedro, not Cy Young, not Walter OR Randy Johnson, not Clemens (okay -- some of these guys come close). And we're not talking about preventing runs part-time either, like Pedro, but with full-time innings.

Check out "Number of times leading league in ERA", "Number of times leading league in ERA+", and "Number of times in top-3" in both categories.

That would be Grove. Only Walter Johnson's closeness in this category and huge lead in innings makes him arguably Number One of all time. Give Lefty the years he spent in Baltimore before turning 25, it would be a better race for Number One.

View Poll Results: Best Lefty Ever?
Steve Carlton	1	3.03%
Lefty Grove	24	72.73%
Carl Hubbell	0	0%
Randy Johnson	2	6.06%
Sandy Koufax	2	6.06%
Hal Newhouser	0	0%
Eddie Plank	0	0%
Warren Spahn	4	12.12%
Voters: 33. You may not vote on this poll

12-09-2003, 10:42 PM	#1
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Who is the Greatest Lefty Ever? It struck me that there is room for debate on this issue. In honor of the life of Warren Spahn, here are the men I feel have some claim to the title: vote for the one you think is the best LHP of all time.

12-09-2003, 11:04 PM	#3
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Code: MODERN (1900-) LHP with seasons of RSAA >= 50 1 Lefty Grove 9 2 Randy Johnson 6 3 Carl Hubbell 3 T4 Hal Newhouser 2 T4 Steve Carlton 2 T4 Lefty Gomez 2 No one else had more than one. This vote is for Grove. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-09-2003, 11:07 PM	#5
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Sandy had just one. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-09-2003, 11:42 PM	#9
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Lefty Grove Warren Spahn second __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

12-09-2003, 10:50 PM	#2
TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	I don't think this one is close. Lefty Grove by a mile. He and Walter teeter todder one and two all-time for me.

12-09-2003, 11:20 PM	#6
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	I voted for the Unit. No offense to Lefty Grove, but I've never seen him pitch in my life and I've actually witnessed how ridiculously dominant Randy is. Johnson is probably a modern-day Grove, and I think there are times where he's better. Of course, I just like Randy. But I honestly believe he's the best lefty of all time right now.

12-09-2003, 11:25 PM	#7
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	Grove just has too many numbers racked up for anyone else to compare, regardless of era, etc.

12-09-2003, 11:32 PM	#8
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Lefty Grove is my vote for the best pitcher EVER! So there's no video - BFD! He was the man!

12-10-2003, 12:20 AM	#10
tyruschen Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Taiwan Posts: 533	Robert Moses Grove, period. Maybe this question should be the greatese pitcher ever and we'll see some "competitive balance".... __________________ I'm a fanatic MLB fan from Taiwan and I fear you would'nt understand my bad English. Thanks a lot for reading.

12-10-2003, 09:43 AM	#11
huskerdru Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Location: Motown (or just north of it) Posts: 540	Yeah, it's Grove, and it's not even close. __________________ "Computers are stupid; they can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso

12-10-2003, 10:22 AM	#13
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	lefty's the top lefty. __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

12-10-2003, 12:22 PM	#14
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Definitely Grove. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

12-10-2003, 04:12 PM	#15
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	I'm Spahnie's biggest fan. No one ate up innings better than Spahn, ever. But when it comes to quality innings, preventing runs, year after year after year -- no one comes close. Not Pedro, not Cy Young, not Walter OR Randy Johnson, not Clemens (okay -- some of these guys come close). And we're not talking about preventing runs part-time either, like Pedro, but with full-time innings. Check out "Number of times leading league in ERA", "Number of times leading league in ERA+", and "Number of times in top-3" in both categories. That would be Grove. Only Walter Johnson's closeness in this category and huge lead in innings makes him arguably Number One of all time. Give Lefty the years he spent in Baltimore before turning 25, it would be a better race for Number One. Last edited by Ytown Tribe fan : 12-10-2003 at 04:18 PM.

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