Fred McGriff = Billy Williams?

Wolf Hopper · 12-02-2003, 02:56 PM

Sure looks like it, no?

Code:

CAREER
BPA >= .09 vs. the league average
OPS >= .125 vs. the league average
RCAA BETWEEN 400 AND 500
RUNS CREATED/GAME >= 2 vs. the league average
OWP >= .6

PLATE APPEARANCES               PA       BPA      OPS     RCAA     RC/G      OWP    
1    Billy Williams            10519     .100     .139      454     2.05     .636   
2    Fred McGriff              10093     .094     .137      486     2.01     .648

Wolf Hopper · 12-02-2003, 02:58 PM

according to baseball-reference.com:

Similar Batters [to McGriff]

Willie McCovey (889) *
Willie Stargell (883) *
Rafael Palmeiro (863)
Andres Galarraga (855)
Billy Williams (849) *
Jeff Bagwell (829)
Chili Davis (828)
Eddie Mathews (828) *
Dwight Evans (814)
Ernie Banks (814)

Wonder why Williams is not #1?

SmedIndy · 12-02-2003, 03:04 PM

BR doesn't use those figures you used - more average, HR, RBI.

KCBOOMER · 12-02-2003, 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

according to baseball-reference.com:
Wonder why Williams is not #1?

I expect it is because all the others are 1B's and Williams is an OF.

KCBOOMER · 12-02-2003, 03:28 PM

I ran the math on McGriff and Williams and the position differential is 36 points and the home run differential is 33 points. When you compare McCovey to McGriff there is no positional difference and the HR differential is only 15. Just in those two categories McCovey is 54 points closer to McGriff than Williams. The rest of the numbers betwenn the three men more or less wash out though the variances in individual numbers between McGriff and Williams are smaller than those for McGriff and McCovey.

clemente21 · 12-02-2003, 06:56 PM

Complete with the same drastic end-of-career fade... I loved Billy Williams as a kid and was really upset when he was traded to the As, but he was toast by that point. Just like I don't believe McGriff will be productive in 2004.

12-02-2003, 02:58 PM	#2
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	according to baseball-reference.com: Similar Batters [to McGriff] Willie McCovey (889) * Willie Stargell (883) * Rafael Palmeiro (863) Andres Galarraga (855) Billy Williams (849) * Jeff Bagwell (829) Chili Davis (828) Eddie Mathews (828) * Dwight Evans (814) Ernie Banks (814) Wonder why Williams is not #1? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-02-2003, 03:28 PM	#5
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	I ran the math on McGriff and Williams and the position differential is 36 points and the home run differential is 33 points. When you compare McCovey to McGriff there is no positional difference and the HR differential is only 15. Just in those two categories McCovey is 54 points closer to McGriff than Williams. The rest of the numbers betwenn the three men more or less wash out though the variances in individual numbers between McGriff and Williams are smaller than those for McGriff and McCovey. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

12-02-2003, 06:56 PM	#6
clemente21 All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chicagoland Posts: 461	Complete with the same drastic end-of-career fade... I loved Billy Williams as a kid and was really upset when he was traded to the As, but he was toast by that point. Just like I don't believe McGriff will be productive in 2004. __________________ Nick "I would like to be someone who would like to be me." - Jan Nordgreen

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12-02-2003, 02:56 PM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Fred McGriff = Billy Williams? Sure looks like it, no? Code: CAREER BPA >= .09 vs. the league average OPS >= .125 vs. the league average RCAA BETWEEN 400 AND 500 RUNS CREATED/GAME >= 2 vs. the league average OWP >= .6 PLATE APPEARANCES PA BPA OPS RCAA RC/G OWP 1 Billy Williams 10519 .100 .139 454 2.05 .636 2 Fred McGriff 10093 .094 .137 486 2.01 .648 __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-02-2003, 03:04 PM	#3
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	BR doesn't use those figures you used - more average, HR, RBI.

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