Ridiculous Brewers Trade

Oxonian95 · 11-29-2003, 09:21 PM

The latest move by the Brewers ensures that they will remain uncompetitive for a few more years: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=st&type=lgns

The deal is Sexson for the following from Arizona: Counsell, Overbay, Spivey and a minor league pitcher with a high ERA, Capuano.

This is just ridiculous. Sexson creates a lot of offense. None of the players that the Brewers get in return have shown that they are likely to create much of anything. A quick check of 2003 stats at Baseball Prospectus shows that Sexson by himself created more offense in terms of Equivalent Runs than the three new Brewer position players combined. The Brewers could have picked up three players with as much offensive potential as Counsell, Overbay and Spivey off the waiver wire--and certainly without having to give away their best offensive player.

On a normal day, I really don't care about the Brewers (in fact, I usually root against them, out of dislike for Bud). But this isn't good for baseball--teams ought at least to have some semblance of working towards success.

Wolf Hopper · 11-29-2003, 09:41 PM

There's something smelly about this deal - not sure what - there has to be more to it - - if it's a salary dump, it seems the Brewers are taking back too much salary. That makes me think there's more there on the why - - - - - - a wild idea - - - Bud wants to help Boston; so, he got them Schilling. Now, he needs to help the D'backs for helping Boston - so, they get Sexson for nada.

Why does Bud want to help Boston? Anti-Stein maybe? Or, maybe it ties into the whole deal where Bud let Henry drop FLA and take Boston? This is all a reach - but, it would make more sense than just saying this is a fair trade.

sweaver · 11-29-2003, 09:48 PM

Overbay and Spivey have some ability, but they are mostly place-holders until you find someone better. Counsell's main value is as good luck charm.

Dave Mullen · 11-29-2003, 09:58 PM

That's just a dumb trade on the Brewers part.

1) Richie Sexson is their best player.
2) Like somebody said above they are dumping TOO much payroll.

JamesI · 11-29-2003, 10:13 PM

I'm not surprised by the deal, and expect the Brewers to move more payroll (Jenkins). I did think they would get more talent though, rather than 5 bodies...

LeGrandOrange · 11-29-2003, 10:26 PM

Spivey is an improvement at 2B because Ginter and Bill Hall are not starter calibre (and if Hall is, it'd be as a shortstop), but suffice it to say this trade blows. You trade a guy who played every inning for you at 1B for just a bunch of role players.

I really have my concerns about the ethics of this deal too, and MLB should be ashamed at themselves for having something like this go through.

Firpo Marberry · 11-30-2003, 12:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

There's something smelly about this deal - not sure what - there has to be more to it - - if it's a salary dump, it seems the Brewers are taking back too much salary. That makes me think there's more there on the why - - - - - - a wild idea - - - Bud wants to help Boston; so, he got them Schilling. Now, he needs to help the D'backs for helping Boston - so, they get Sexson for nada.

Why does Bud want to help Boston? Anti-Stein maybe? Or, maybe it ties into the whole deal where Bud let Henry drop FLA and take Boston? This is all a reach - but, it would make more sense than just saying this is a fair trade.

The mistake you're making here is thinking that Bud is a deep enough thinker to be this devious.

It's much like staring at a chimp for a while and then beginning to think, "He's going to steal my wife."

Dave Mullen · 11-30-2003, 10:10 AM

The latest ATM report says that the Brewers have denied it and the Diamondbacks have no comment.

WiredTiger · 11-30-2003, 12:10 PM

I think if you are going to trade Sexson away you at least have to get one guy who has a chance to be a star. I don't see anyone that fits that description.

Yankee paranoia? I doubt this is a conspiracy against the Yanks.

Ytown Tribe fan · 11-30-2003, 12:46 PM

You aren't giving Bud enough credit, IMO.

The awful truth is that Bud is part of a vast, interplanetary conspiracy that began on March 24th, 1993, during the huge solar proton event.

I can't go into further details without compromising national security but, in the interests of protecting the public, I am authorized to divulge the following advice:

FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP EATING KRISPY KREME DONUTS!!!

That's all I can say.

Wolf Hopper · 11-30-2003, 01:26 PM

Ytown Tribe fan

Brought back memories of Bart and the MLB satellite.

Ytown Tribe fan · 11-30-2003, 02:34 PM

...but seriously, from a baseball POV, is there ANY upside to this deal for the Brewers? I really don't see it.

Wolf Hopper · 11-30-2003, 03:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ytown Tribe fan

...but seriously, from a baseball POV, is there ANY upside to this deal for the Brewers? I really don't see it.

They got three players for the cost that they were paying one player, just about. So what if the one player could actually play whereas the three are scrubs? At least, that must have been their logic.

sweaver · 11-30-2003, 03:28 PM

Remember the 1950s, when if a bad team got a good player, they would trade him to a good team for a hatful of scrubs? The St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles and the KC A's used to make these kind of trades. That's what it reminds me of.

Ytown Tribe fan · 11-30-2003, 03:53 PM

Assuming for the moment that the Brewers would be the designated "farm team" for the highest bidder, and dumping salary and good players for cheap labor, then since the bigger teams are supporting the Brewers through revenue sharing, seems to me that the Selig family is making money three different ways with this deal.

Is this what the USSC had in mind when they ruled that baseball was exempt from anti-trust legislation since it wasn't a business?

11-29-2003, 09:21 PM	#1
Oxonian95 NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Section 112 Posts: 34	Ridiculous Brewers Trade The latest move by the Brewers ensures that they will remain uncompetitive for a few more years: http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slu...v=st&type=lgns The deal is Sexson for the following from Arizona: Counsell, Overbay, Spivey and a minor league pitcher with a high ERA, Capuano. This is just ridiculous. Sexson creates a lot of offense. None of the players that the Brewers get in return have shown that they are likely to create much of anything. A quick check of 2003 stats at Baseball Prospectus shows that Sexson by himself created more offense in terms of Equivalent Runs than the three new Brewer position players combined. The Brewers could have picked up three players with as much offensive potential as Counsell, Overbay and Spivey off the waiver wire--and certainly without having to give away their best offensive player. On a normal day, I really don't care about the Brewers (in fact, I usually root against them, out of dislike for Bud). But this isn't good for baseball--teams ought at least to have some semblance of working towards success. __________________ You were right and I was wrong. A blind man could tell you that. -- H. I. McDunnough

11-29-2003, 09:41 PM	#2
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	There's something smelly about this deal - not sure what - there has to be more to it - - if it's a salary dump, it seems the Brewers are taking back too much salary. That makes me think there's more there on the why - - - - - - a wild idea - - - Bud wants to help Boston; so, he got them Schilling. Now, he needs to help the D'backs for helping Boston - so, they get Sexson for nada. Why does Bud want to help Boston? Anti-Stein maybe? Or, maybe it ties into the whole deal where Bud let Henry drop FLA and take Boston? This is all a reach - but, it would make more sense than just saying this is a fair trade. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-30-2003, 01:26 PM	#11
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Ytown Tribe fan Brought back memories of Bart and the MLB satellite. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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11-29-2003, 09:48 PM	#3
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Overbay and Spivey have some ability, but they are mostly place-holders until you find someone better. Counsell's main value is as good luck charm.

11-29-2003, 09:58 PM	#4
Dave Mullen Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 11	That's just a dumb trade on the Brewers part. 1) Richie Sexson is their best player. 2) Like somebody said above they are dumping TOO much payroll.

11-29-2003, 10:13 PM	#5
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I'm not surprised by the deal, and expect the Brewers to move more payroll (Jenkins). I did think they would get more talent though, rather than 5 bodies...

11-29-2003, 10:26 PM	#6
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Spivey is an improvement at 2B because Ginter and Bill Hall are not starter calibre (and if Hall is, it'd be as a shortstop), but suffice it to say this trade blows. You trade a guy who played every inning for you at 1B for just a bunch of role players. I really have my concerns about the ethics of this deal too, and MLB should be ashamed at themselves for having something like this go through.

11-30-2003, 10:10 AM	#8
Dave Mullen Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 11	The latest ATM report says that the Brewers have denied it and the Diamondbacks have no comment.

11-30-2003, 12:10 PM	#9
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	I think if you are going to trade Sexson away you at least have to get one guy who has a chance to be a star. I don't see anyone that fits that description. Yankee paranoia? I doubt this is a conspiracy against the Yanks.

11-30-2003, 12:46 PM	#10
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	You aren't giving Bud enough credit, IMO. The awful truth is that Bud is part of a vast, interplanetary conspiracy that began on March 24th, 1993, during the huge solar proton event. I can't go into further details without compromising national security but, in the interests of protecting the public, I am authorized to divulge the following advice: FOR GOD'S SAKE STOP EATING KRISPY KREME DONUTS!!! That's all I can say.

11-30-2003, 02:34 PM	#12
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	...but seriously, from a baseball POV, is there ANY upside to this deal for the Brewers? I really don't see it.

11-30-2003, 03:28 PM	#14
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Remember the 1950s, when if a bad team got a good player, they would trade him to a good team for a hatful of scrubs? The St. Louis Browns/Baltimore Orioles and the KC A's used to make these kind of trades. That's what it reminds me of.

11-30-2003, 03:53 PM	#15
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	Assuming for the moment that the Brewers would be the designated "farm team" for the highest bidder, and dumping salary and good players for cheap labor, then since the bigger teams are supporting the Brewers through revenue sharing, seems to me that the Selig family is making money three different ways with this deal. Is this what the USSC had in mind when they ruled that baseball was exempt from anti-trust legislation since it wasn't a business?

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