The Prince and the Pea

BuzzBuzzard · 05-31-2001, 01:23 PM

As reported in Lee's column today on aroundthemajors.com. Am I now to believe that the mound in the Bronx is manicured so differently than any other stadium. This smells fishy to me.

Yankees P Orlando Hernandez returned to New York and was diagnosed with inflammation of a toe on his left foot. According to MGR Joe Torre, "He's having trouble with his landing." Meanwhile, Hernandez is reportedly comfortable pitching on Yankee Stadium's mound, but, for now, whether he pitches on the road will be determined on a start to start basis, depending on how comfortable he feels about that mound.

ChrisCary · 05-31-2001, 01:33 PM

Well,
THey're all different and we've heard pitchers complain since the beginning of time about this one and that one.

With that said, everytime the Yankees talk about an injury you have to wonder what the real deal is and especially when they talk about El Duque.

It certainly is fishy and even if their is a slight basis in fact here, we're not getting the true scoop.

Another note on El Duque, his father is dying of cancer in Cuba and he hasn't been able to be in touch with him.

As a Yankee fan I'm worried that he has way more issues than an inflamed foot.

Jen · 05-31-2001, 01:38 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisCary

As a Yankee fan I'm worried that he has way more issues than an inflamed foot.

My thoughts exactly. If he needs babied right now, that's fine with me, things can't be too easy.

BuzzBuzzard · 05-31-2001, 02:10 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisCary
Another note on El Duque, his father is dying of cancer in Cuba and he hasn't been able to be in touch with him.

Had not heard that, but it cetainly helps explain things a little. That is too bad.

willyg · 05-31-2001, 02:16 PM

El Duque is a very high maintenance player. I think his biggest problems are between his head.

As far as his father is concerned I guess it isn't the same situation as Bernie where he can just visit. Don't think El Duque will be making any trips to Cuba anytime soon, and if he does, I don't think he will be making any trips to New York anytime after that.

BuzzBuzzard · 05-31-2001, 02:19 PM

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Originally posted by willyg
Don't think El Duque will be making any trips to Cuba anytime soon, and if he does, I don't think he will be making any trips to New York anytime after that.

A one-way ticket for certain if he tried.

ChrisCary · 05-31-2001, 02:20 PM

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Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Had not heard that, but it cetainly helps explain things a little. That is too bad.

It is very sad that he acn't talk to him or see him, that he can't say, "I love you, dad"

However,
THis El Duque character has been shrouded in a cloak of mystery since the day he arrived in America.
No information that comes out on him can be taken at face value.

For instance this foot injury has not been mentioned before yesterday, even while he hasn't won a game yet. In fact they've reported that he's fine, nothing wrong.
Now with this new foot injury, the reports are that the Yankees will "keep monitoring his foot", that he will "continue to take anit-inflamatory medicine".

I'm not sure what to believe when it comes to El Duque.

BuzzBuzzard · 05-31-2001, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by ChrisCary
For instance this foot injury has not been mentioned before yesterday, even while he hasn't won a game yet. In fact they've reported that he's fine, nothing wrong.

Funny you should say that because I caught a part of Suzan and Jodie on WFAN around lunchtime on Tuesday and some caller said he 'heard he had a heel' and Suzan said she hadn't heard a thing.

NetShrine · 05-31-2001, 03:47 PM

Making things more complicated, isn't this a cash in year for El Duque?

willyg · 05-31-2001, 05:07 PM

He will be arbitration eligible the next two seasons. As long as he does not fall on his face and go something like 3-10, he figures to triple his salary. After that, he will be (as he claims) about 34 or so, but in reality about 38. Not too many paydays left for Orlando.

In one sense the guy has never really made the huge money, but on the other making 2 mil plus World Series shares every year is much better than making about 5 bucks a month in Cuba.

NetShrine · 05-31-2001, 05:21 PM

He did get a pretty good signing bonus too.

Still, no wins to date. Say, he does go 12-12 this year. The arbitration session could get ugly - - given his frail state of mind and emotional issues, that could be a very bad thing for the Yanks.

If the Giants are out of it in late July, do you offer El Duque for Bonds?

willyg · 05-31-2001, 05:35 PM

I don't think that would ever happen.

First off Bonds is a 10-5 guy, for him to approve a trade there would have to be a pot of gold and lots of it on the other side. You going to sign Bonds for 20 mil per for 3 or 4 years?

He might be going for 70. First off that means that every Giants game will be packed to the gills no matter how bad they are, it is going to take much more than a 36 year old pitcher to get him, you are going to have to severely overpay.

Also if he is going for 70 do you want that side show following the Yankees around?

Like I said if he did get traded it would take much more than Hernandez. You get two top draft picks if you lose a Type A free agent, that alone is better than a broken down pitcher who at best has 2 or 3 top years left going to arbitration.

Andy Pettite yes, Orlando Hernandez no.

NetShrine · 05-31-2001, 05:46 PM

If they Yanks trade Pettitte for Bonds, the entire front office in NY should be fired.

Say Bonds isn't going for 70, would it not be better for the Giants to get El Duque, and then re-sign Bonds once he goes Free Agent? Would it require an under the table deal on their end? Yes. But, it's not like that's never been done before...........

Draft picks? I think most teams would trade picks for players - - the draft is a crap shoot, and not cheap to play in.............

willyg · 05-31-2001, 05:57 PM

I agree with you if the Yankees traded AP for Bonds all of the "baseball people" will get their heads handed to them. I am just saying from a Giants perspective a guy like Andy Pettitte is what it would take for me to give up Bonds in that type of situation. You go from drawing full houses and just about every game on ESPN to playing out the string in front of 20,000.

Also with how much you will have to give up to get Bonds any team dealing for him is not in this just to rent a player, you want him for the long term, and I think more than anything Bonds feels he has been underpaid. He isn't accepting a trade to a team without getting something for it.

He could just sit in San Fran take a run at 70, than sell himself to the higest bidder. Or he could take the Mussina approach last year when he said he was not going to move his family twice.

NetShrine · 05-31-2001, 06:12 PM

Another thought - say, Bonds has 45 HRs - and does get traded to the AL - and then hits 26 more there. Does he get the record? I think Elias would say no.

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BuzzBuzzard NetShrine's Conscience Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: The bowels of Shea Posts: 3,062	As reported in Lee's column today on aroundthemajors.com. Am I now to believe that the mound in the Bronx is manicured so differently than any other stadium. This smells fishy to me. Yankees P Orlando Hernandez returned to New York and was diagnosed with inflammation of a toe on his left foot. According to MGR Joe Torre, "He's having trouble with his landing." Meanwhile, Hernandez is reportedly comfortable pitching on Yankee Stadium's mound, but, for now, whether he pitches on the road will be determined on a start to start basis, depending on how comfortable he feels about that mound. __________________ Buzzard You Gotta Believe

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05-31-2001, 01:33 PM	#2
ChrisCary High and tight Join Date: Apr 2001 Posts: 1,281	Well, THey're all different and we've heard pitchers complain since the beginning of time about this one and that one. With that said, everytime the Yankees talk about an injury you have to wonder what the real deal is and especially when they talk about El Duque. It certainly is fishy and even if their is a slight basis in fact here, we're not getting the true scoop. Another note on El Duque, his father is dying of cancer in Cuba and he hasn't been able to be in touch with him. As a Yankee fan I'm worried that he has way more issues than an inflamed foot.

05-31-2001, 02:16 PM	#5
willyg NetShrine MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 203	El Duque is a very high maintenance player. I think his biggest problems are between his head. As far as his father is concerned I guess it isn't the same situation as Bernie where he can just visit. Don't think El Duque will be making any trips to Cuba anytime soon, and if he does, I don't think he will be making any trips to New York anytime after that.

05-31-2001, 03:47 PM	#9
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	Making things more complicated, isn't this a cash in year for El Duque?

05-31-2001, 05:07 PM	#10
willyg NetShrine MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 203	He will be arbitration eligible the next two seasons. As long as he does not fall on his face and go something like 3-10, he figures to triple his salary. After that, he will be (as he claims) about 34 or so, but in reality about 38. Not too many paydays left for Orlando. In one sense the guy has never really made the huge money, but on the other making 2 mil plus World Series shares every year is much better than making about 5 bucks a month in Cuba.

05-31-2001, 05:21 PM	#11
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	He did get a pretty good signing bonus too. Still, no wins to date. Say, he does go 12-12 this year. The arbitration session could get ugly - - given his frail state of mind and emotional issues, that could be a very bad thing for the Yanks. If the Giants are out of it in late July, do you offer El Duque for Bonds?

05-31-2001, 05:35 PM	#12
willyg NetShrine MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 203	I don't think that would ever happen. First off Bonds is a 10-5 guy, for him to approve a trade there would have to be a pot of gold and lots of it on the other side. You going to sign Bonds for 20 mil per for 3 or 4 years? He might be going for 70. First off that means that every Giants game will be packed to the gills no matter how bad they are, it is going to take much more than a 36 year old pitcher to get him, you are going to have to severely overpay. Also if he is going for 70 do you want that side show following the Yankees around? Like I said if he did get traded it would take much more than Hernandez. You get two top draft picks if you lose a Type A free agent, that alone is better than a broken down pitcher who at best has 2 or 3 top years left going to arbitration. Andy Pettite yes, Orlando Hernandez no.

05-31-2001, 05:46 PM	#13
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	If they Yanks trade Pettitte for Bonds, the entire front office in NY should be fired. Say Bonds isn't going for 70, would it not be better for the Giants to get El Duque, and then re-sign Bonds once he goes Free Agent? Would it require an under the table deal on their end? Yes. But, it's not like that's never been done before........... Draft picks? I think most teams would trade picks for players - - the draft is a crap shoot, and not cheap to play in.............

05-31-2001, 05:57 PM	#14
willyg NetShrine MVP Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: New Jersey Posts: 203	I agree with you if the Yankees traded AP for Bonds all of the "baseball people" will get their heads handed to them. I am just saying from a Giants perspective a guy like Andy Pettitte is what it would take for me to give up Bonds in that type of situation. You go from drawing full houses and just about every game on ESPN to playing out the string in front of 20,000. Also with how much you will have to give up to get Bonds any team dealing for him is not in this just to rent a player, you want him for the long term, and I think more than anything Bonds feels he has been underpaid. He isn't accepting a trade to a team without getting something for it. He could just sit in San Fran take a run at 70, than sell himself to the higest bidder. Or he could take the Mussina approach last year when he said he was not going to move his family twice.

05-31-2001, 06:12 PM	#15
NetShrine Administrator Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 4,617	Another thought - say, Bonds has 45 HRs - and does get traded to the AL - and then hits 26 more there. Does he get the record? I think Elias would say no.

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