1889: Dan Brouthers v. Mike Tiernan

Wolf Hopper · 11-18-2003, 08:21 AM

Which was the better batter in 1889?

KCBOOMER · 11-18-2003, 01:18 PM

This could come down to definitions, but I'll go with Brouthers. The only thing that might even up the edge Brouthers has is park effect. Tiernan played half his game at a batting neutral park while Brouthers parks favored hitters by 6%. The SBE has Brouthers RCAA (which take sinto account park factors) at 79 while Tiernan "only" gets 71. Brouthers also has a higher OWP, .793 to .758.

The only thing that keeps Tiernan in the conversation is that he walked 30 more times than Brouthers. He also made 28 more outs. So if "batting" were defined as swinging at the ball Brouthers wins going away.

Wolf Hopper · 11-18-2003, 01:31 PM

I meant "batting" as in total offensive production - - I would have used "hitting" if I only meant swinging.

sweaver · 11-18-2003, 06:14 PM

I think it's Brouthers too. Boomer made the case quite nicely.

SmedIndy · 11-19-2003, 08:29 AM

add one for Brouthers!

Wolf Hopper · 11-19-2003, 09:24 AM

Guess I'm the only one picking Mike Tiernan.

TA, RC, BPA, and TB all favor him.

It is close between the two, for me.

sweaver · 11-19-2003, 01:56 PM

A lot of Tiernan's advantage was in the parks. This is why Brouthers leads in RCAA.

Wolf Hopper · 11-19-2003, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sweaver

A lot of Tiernan's advantage was in the parks. This is why Brouthers leads in RCAA.

He leads by 8 RCAA. Not a huge difference. Besides, I think RCAA takes Park Factors into account, no?

sweaver · 11-19-2003, 02:16 PM

Uh, yes, that was my point.

gyb13 · 12-05-2003, 02:32 PM

brouthers wins it by a slight margin

11-18-2003, 08:21 AM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	1889: Dan Brouthers v. Mike Tiernan Which was the better batter in 1889? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-18-2003, 01:18 PM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	This could come down to definitions, but I'll go with Brouthers. The only thing that might even up the edge Brouthers has is park effect. Tiernan played half his game at a batting neutral park while Brouthers parks favored hitters by 6%. The SBE has Brouthers RCAA (which take sinto account park factors) at 79 while Tiernan "only" gets 71. Brouthers also has a higher OWP, .793 to .758. The only thing that keeps Tiernan in the conversation is that he walked 30 more times than Brouthers. He also made 28 more outs. So if "batting" were defined as swinging at the ball Brouthers wins going away. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-18-2003, 01:31 PM	#3
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	I meant "batting" as in total offensive production - - I would have used "hitting" if I only meant swinging. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-19-2003, 09:24 AM	#6
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Guess I'm the only one picking Mike Tiernan. TA, RC, BPA, and TB all favor him. It is close between the two, for me. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

12-05-2003, 02:32 PM	#10
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	brouthers wins it by a slight margin __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

11-18-2003, 06:14 PM	#4
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I think it's Brouthers too. Boomer made the case quite nicely.

11-19-2003, 08:29 AM	#5
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	add one for Brouthers!

11-19-2003, 01:56 PM	#7
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	A lot of Tiernan's advantage was in the parks. This is why Brouthers leads in RCAA.

11-19-2003, 02:16 PM	#9
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Uh, yes, that was my point.

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