If You Had A Vote For Cooperstown

[Skipper Steve]

Below is the current Cooperstown Ballot:

Bert Blyleven, Gary Carter, Dave Concepcion, Andre Dawson, Lenny Dykstra, Steve Garvey, Rich Gossage, Mike Greenwell, Ron Guidry, Mike Henneman, Keith Hernandez, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Jeff Russell, Scott Sanderson, Ozzie Smith, Dave Stewart, Bruce Sutter, Robby Thompson, Luis Tiant, Alan Trammell, Frank Viola, Tim Wallach.

Who would you vote for?

[timconnelly]

Just off the top of my head Steve and going with the Bill James idea of

Definition A Hall of Famer: Arguably one of the best players of all time or at least at his position
Definition B: Clearly one of the best players of his time by position
Definition C: Consistently among the better players of his time (by position
Definition D: Consistently a better than average player at his position

Bert Blyleven C
Gary Carter B
Dave Concepcion B
Andre Dawson C
Lenny Dykstra C
Steve Garvey B
Rich Gossage B
Mike Greenwell C
Ron Guidry B
Mike Henneman D
Keith Hernandez B
Tommy John C
Jim Kaat C
Don Mattingly B
Jack Morris B
Dale Murphy B
Dave Parker B
Jim Rice C
Jeff Russell D
Scott Sanderson D
Ozzie Smith A
Dave Stewart B
Bruce Sutter B
Robby Thompson D
Luis Tiant B
Alan Trammell B
Frank Viola D
Tim Wallach D

I'd have to look up these guys to make a more intelligent assessment and I don't have time at the moment.

[Skipper Steve]

For Cooperstown, I would let in:

Bert Blyleven, Gary Carter, Andre Dawson, Rich Gossage, Ron Guidry, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Dale Murphy, Jim Rice, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter, Luis Tiant, and Alan Trammell

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve
For Cooperstown, I would let in:

Bert Blyleven, Gary Carter, Andre Dawson, Rich Gossage, Ron Guidry, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Dale Murphy, Jim Rice, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter, Luis Tiant, and Alan Trammell

How can you pass on Keith Hernandez? That is inexcusable.

[Duque]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve
For Cooperstown, I would let in:

Bert Blyleven, Gary Carter, Andre Dawson, Rich Gossage, Ron Guidry, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Dale Murphy, Jim Rice, Ozzie Smith, Bruce Sutter, Luis Tiant, and Alan Trammell

Except for Murph, I agree. At his peak, there was no one better. But he hung around too long.

I wouldn't be surprised if Trammell got neglected.

[sweaver]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve
Below is the current Cooperstown Ballot:

Bert Blyleven, Gary Carter, Dave Concepcion, Andre Dawson, Lenny Dykstra, Steve Garvey, Rich Gossage, Mike Greenwell, Ron Guidry, Mike Henneman, Keith Hernandez, Tommy John, Jim Kaat, Don Mattingly, Jack Morris, Dale Murphy, Dave Parker, Jim Rice, Jeff Russell, Scott Sanderson, Ozzie Smith, Dave Stewart, Bruce Sutter, Robby Thompson, Luis Tiant, Alan Trammell, Frank Viola, Tim Wallach.

Who would you vote for?

I'll take Blyleven, Carter, Dawson, Gossage, John, Kaat, Ozzie, Sutter, Tiant, and Trammell.

Remember, the rules say only vote for 10!

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
How can you pass on Keith Hernandez? That is inexcusable.

He was one of the Top Ten hitters when he played - - - see below. But, the problem is, he only played for 11 seasons, basically. He got old - real fast. The Lounge Life will do that to you.

OWP 1976-1987
1 George Brett .719
2 Mike Schmidt .715
3 Eddie Murray .687
4 Rod Carew .672
5 Keith Hernandez .669
6 Jack Clark .665
7 Dave Winfield .649
8 Dwight Evans .641
9 Jose Cruz .641
10 Reggie Jackson .638

[CubFan7125]

Who the he** is Jeff Russell. I go to 50 or 60 games a year in Minneapolis, Milwaukee, K.C. & Chicago, & probably catch upwards of 300 games on the tube each year. I even spent the last several minutes looking at this guys stats and I am still absolutely clueless as to who he is. It looks like he had several good seasons in the late 80's & early 90's including being a Rolaids Relief winner (perhaps the most overrated award in baseball) in 1989. Is it just me or what.

Another quick rant, how do guys like Russell, Lenny Dykstra, Jeff King, Robby Thompson & Scott Sanderson even get on the HOF ballot. Arguments can be made either way for players like Andre Dawson, Gary Carter, Jack Morris, Jim Kaat & Bert Blyleven(my favorite player ever)but I know of no one supporting Tim Wallach's candidacy into baseball immortality.

[Skipper Steve]

Jeff Russell, the old Reds/Rangers closer.

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve
He was one of the Top Ten hitters when he played - - - see below. But, the problem is, he only played for 11 seasons, basically. He got old - real fast. The Lounge Life will do that to you.

He played 12 and if you add the pieces of other seasons, it is more like 14. He won a batting title (when it counted) and was a MVP, not to mention how many gold gloves. The guy is totally deserving.

[Duque]

Originally posted by CubFan7125


Another quick rant, how do guys like Russell, Lenny Dykstra, Jeff King, Robby Thompson & Scott Sanderson even get on the HOF ballot. Arguments can be made either way for players like Andre Dawson, Gary Carter, Jack Morris, Jim Kaat & Bert Blyleven(my favorite player ever)but I know of no one supporting Tim Wallach's candidacy into baseball immortality.

Everyone's eligible that's had 10 or more years in the bigs, and has been retired for at least 5.

Jim Deshaies even got a vote last year! Don't know if his website (www.putjdinthehall.com ) is still up.

[hmrsf]

can't believe he is not even on the list.

Originally posted by hmrsf
can't believe he is not even on the list.

Dwight Evans? If not, then who?

Originally posted by Duque
Everyone's eligible that's had 10 or more years in the bigs, and has been retired for at least 5.

Jim Deshaies even got a vote last year! Don't know if his website (www.putjdinthehall.com ) is still up.

Here's the official HOF requirements, straight from the BBWAA's mouth.

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
He played 12 and if you add the pieces of other seasons, it is more like 14. He won a batting title (when it counted) and was a MVP, not to mention how many gold gloves. The guy is totally deserving.

According to baseball-reference.com:

Similar Batters
Mark Grace (943)
Wally Joyner (911)
Hal McRae (907)
Joe Kuhel (900)
Ken Griffey Sr. (896)
Chris Chambliss (883)
Cecil Cooper (882)
Jose Cruz (875)
Joe Judge (872)
Cesar Cedeno (870)

Would you put Mark Grace in? He has a great glove at 1B too?