NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1880 Award Winners

Wolf Hopper · 11-03-2003, 10:58 PM

For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player?

Why?

sweaver · 11-04-2003, 08:53 AM

1880 Win Shares data:

Pitching; Jim McCormick (Cleveland) 54, Larry Corcoran (Chicago) 52, John M. Ward (Providence) 51, Mickey Welch (Troy) and Lee Richmond (Worcester) 42.

Position players; George Gore (Chicago) 24, Abner Dalrymple (Chicago) 23, Adrian Anson (Chicago) 20, Paul Hines (Providence) 19, Jim O'Rourke (Boston), Fred Dunlap (Cleveland) and Roger Connor (Troy) at 17.

For a pitcher, Tim Keefe was magnificent, but only pitched 12 games. I think this is a toss-up between McCormick and Ward, but I'll go with J.M. Ward in this year.

At the plate, Gore was dominant in this season. He led the league in batting average, on base, slugging, and OPS+. He was surrounded by hitters of exceptional quality like King Kelly, Anson and Dalrymple, who got some of the counting stats that way, but Gore was the best.

That was some outfield with Dalrymple, Gore and Kelly, all 22-23 years old. Chicago rolled to the pennant that year.

For ROY, I'll say Roger Connor, with an impressive debut starting a HOF career.

WiredTiger · 11-04-2003, 10:00 AM

Best Batter: Piano legs Gore
His best year by a longshot.

Best Pitcher: Jim Mccormick
45 wins in 657 innings.

Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Larry Corcoran
43 wins in his debut. Although smiling Timmy Keefe's .86 ERA was impressive.

Best Manager: Cap Anson
Leads the Cubs to a pennant. Anyone that can do that is the best in my book.

Best Comeback: Abner Dalrymple
Rebounds from an off year to post an OPS+ greater than 150.

sweaver · 11-04-2003, 10:04 AM

I can't find that debut listing, and it's keeping me from making rookie judgments. Can you provide a link?

Wolf Hopper · 11-04-2003, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by sweaver

I can't find that debut listing, and it's keeping me from making rookie judgments. Can you provide a link?

http://baseball-reference.com/league...80_debut.shtml

Wolf Hopper · 11-04-2003, 11:11 AM

McCormick and Gore were the NPOTY for 1880. I'll go with them, where applicable. Others to follow.

LeGrandOrange · 11-06-2003, 01:25 AM

Best Hitter: Abner Dalrymple
Could pick any one of three Cubs, the hits leader is my selection.

Best Pitcher: Jim McCormick
72 complete games and 45 wins...I think that's pretty good.

Best Rookie: Roger Connor
I'd love to give this to Tim Keefe, but Roger had a full season.

Best Manager: Cap Anson
Skipped the best team of the 19th century.

Best Comeback: George Gore
Wasn't the best hitter, but came a long way to come close to it.

SmedIndy · 11-12-2003, 11:29 AM

Jim McCormick has to be MOY.

McCormick and Gore are good choices for Cy and MVP. McCormick should get comeback as well. A triple crown for McCormick!

I'd give ROY to Larry Corcoran.

sweaver · 12-12-2003, 03:29 PM

Tallies:

Player; George Gore 3, Abner Dalrymple 1.

Pitcher; Jim McCormick 4, John Ward 1.

Rookie: Larry Corcoran 2, Roger Connor 1.

Manager: Cap Anson 2, Jim McCormick 1

Comeback: George Gore, Jim McCormick and Abner Dalrymple 1 each.

11-03-2003, 10:58 PM	#1
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11-04-2003, 11:11 AM	#6
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	McCormick and Gore were the NPOTY for 1880. I'll go with them, where applicable. Others to follow. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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11-04-2003, 08:53 AM	#2
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	1880 Win Shares data: Pitching; Jim McCormick (Cleveland) 54, Larry Corcoran (Chicago) 52, John M. Ward (Providence) 51, Mickey Welch (Troy) and Lee Richmond (Worcester) 42. Position players; George Gore (Chicago) 24, Abner Dalrymple (Chicago) 23, Adrian Anson (Chicago) 20, Paul Hines (Providence) 19, Jim O'Rourke (Boston), Fred Dunlap (Cleveland) and Roger Connor (Troy) at 17. For a pitcher, Tim Keefe was magnificent, but only pitched 12 games. I think this is a toss-up between McCormick and Ward, but I'll go with J.M. Ward in this year. At the plate, Gore was dominant in this season. He led the league in batting average, on base, slugging, and OPS+. He was surrounded by hitters of exceptional quality like King Kelly, Anson and Dalrymple, who got some of the counting stats that way, but Gore was the best. That was some outfield with Dalrymple, Gore and Kelly, all 22-23 years old. Chicago rolled to the pennant that year. For ROY, I'll say Roger Connor, with an impressive debut starting a HOF career.

11-04-2003, 10:00 AM	#3
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Best Batter: Piano legs Gore His best year by a longshot. Best Pitcher: Jim Mccormick 45 wins in 657 innings. Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Larry Corcoran 43 wins in his debut. Although smiling Timmy Keefe's .86 ERA was impressive. Best Manager: Cap Anson Leads the Cubs to a pennant. Anyone that can do that is the best in my book. Best Comeback: Abner Dalrymple Rebounds from an off year to post an OPS+ greater than 150.

11-04-2003, 10:04 AM	#4
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I can't find that debut listing, and it's keeping me from making rookie judgments. Can you provide a link?

11-06-2003, 01:25 AM	#7
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Best Hitter: Abner Dalrymple Could pick any one of three Cubs, the hits leader is my selection. Best Pitcher: Jim McCormick 72 complete games and 45 wins...I think that's pretty good. Best Rookie: Roger Connor I'd love to give this to Tim Keefe, but Roger had a full season. Best Manager: Cap Anson Skipped the best team of the 19th century. Best Comeback: George Gore Wasn't the best hitter, but came a long way to come close to it.

11-12-2003, 11:29 AM	#8
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Jim McCormick has to be MOY. McCormick and Gore are good choices for Cy and MVP. McCormick should get comeback as well. A triple crown for McCormick! I'd give ROY to Larry Corcoran.

12-12-2003, 03:29 PM	#9
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Tallies: Player; George Gore 3, Abner Dalrymple 1. Pitcher; Jim McCormick 4, John Ward 1. Rookie: Larry Corcoran 2, Roger Connor 1. Manager: Cap Anson 2, Jim McCormick 1 Comeback: George Gore, Jim McCormick and Abner Dalrymple 1 each.

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