NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1879 Award Winners

Wolf Hopper · 11-03-2003, 07:18 AM

For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player?

Why?

WiredTiger · 11-03-2003, 10:21 AM

Best Batter: John O'Rourke
The Red Cap slugger had a monster year.

Best Pitcher: Tommy Bond
The winner by a nose over Monte Ward and Whoop-La White

Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): John O'Rourke
The best hitter and the best rookie

Best Manager: George Wright
Took the Grays to the first of two NL titles in his only year at the helm.

Best Comeback: George Wright
An OPS+ of 57 in 1878! Wright had a pretty good year managing and hitting for the Grays.

sweaver · 11-03-2003, 02:40 PM

Win Shares data:

Among pitchers, Pud Galvin had 61, J.M. Ward 51, Tommy Bond 50. Larkin had 39, Will White 33, also Jim McCormick 33.

Position players were led by Paul Hines at 22, followed by Charley Jones of Boston with 21, King Kelly at 20, then at 17 were Jim O'Rourke, Ned Williamson, Deacon White, and John O'Rourke.

For top player, I'll take Hines. O'Rourke was operating in a helpful hitting environment, and the OPS+ lead was:

Code:

Adjusted OPS+
Kelly-CIN 184 
Jones-BSN 183 
O'Rourke-BSN 182 
Hines-PRO 180

that's almost a wash, so I'll go with Hines, an excellent defensive player as well.

For pitchers, I'll take Galvin. The Little Steam Engine was working up a good head of steam about then.

LeGrandOrange · 11-03-2003, 06:17 PM

Best Batter: Paul Hines
Close between him and John O'Rourke, but I'll give the hits leader love.

Best Pitcher: Monte Ward
ERA leader as a rookie, wins leader in his sophomore year. Not bad.

Best Manager: George Wright
Nice when you're only year managing nets you a pennant.

Best Rookie: John O'Rourke
Had good enough numbers that I'd swear he were Jim.

Best Comeback: King Kelly
Went from average player to superstar in the course of a season.

Wolf Hopper · 11-03-2003, 07:25 PM

O'Rourke and Ward were the NPOTY for 1879. I'll go with them, where applicable. Others to follow.

SmedIndy · 11-12-2003, 11:26 AM

Hines and "Gentle Jeems" Galvin are great nods.

John Clapp for MOY for his work with Buffalo.

Give Honest John Morrill some comeback love.

sweaver · 12-12-2003, 03:25 PM

The tally thus far:

Player: Paul Hines 3, John O'Rourke 2.

Pitcher: Pud Galvin and John Ward 2 each, Tommy Bond 1.

Rookie: John O'Rourke 2.

Manager: George Wright 2, John Clapp 1.

Comeback: John Morrill, King Kelly, and George Wright 1 each.

11-03-2003, 07:18 AM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1879 Award Winners For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player? Why? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-03-2003, 02:40 PM	#3
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Win Shares data: Among pitchers, Pud Galvin had 61, J.M. Ward 51, Tommy Bond 50. Larkin had 39, Will White 33, also Jim McCormick 33. Position players were led by Paul Hines at 22, followed by Charley Jones of Boston with 21, King Kelly at 20, then at 17 were Jim O'Rourke, Ned Williamson, Deacon White, and John O'Rourke. For top player, I'll take Hines. O'Rourke was operating in a helpful hitting environment, and the OPS+ lead was: Code: Adjusted OPS+ Kelly-CIN 184 Jones-BSN 183 O'Rourke-BSN 182 Hines-PRO 180 that's almost a wash, so I'll go with Hines, an excellent defensive player as well. For pitchers, I'll take Galvin. The Little Steam Engine was working up a good head of steam about then.

11-03-2003, 07:25 PM	#5
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	O'Rourke and Ward were the NPOTY for 1879. I'll go with them, where applicable. Others to follow. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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11-03-2003, 10:21 AM	#2
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Best Batter: John O'Rourke The Red Cap slugger had a monster year. Best Pitcher: Tommy Bond The winner by a nose over Monte Ward and Whoop-La White Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): John O'Rourke The best hitter and the best rookie Best Manager: George Wright Took the Grays to the first of two NL titles in his only year at the helm. Best Comeback: George Wright An OPS+ of 57 in 1878! Wright had a pretty good year managing and hitting for the Grays.

11-03-2003, 06:17 PM	#4
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Best Batter: Paul Hines Close between him and John O'Rourke, but I'll give the hits leader love. Best Pitcher: Monte Ward ERA leader as a rookie, wins leader in his sophomore year. Not bad. Best Manager: George Wright Nice when you're only year managing nets you a pennant. Best Rookie: John O'Rourke Had good enough numbers that I'd swear he were Jim. Best Comeback: King Kelly Went from average player to superstar in the course of a season.

11-12-2003, 11:26 AM	#6
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Hines and "Gentle Jeems" Galvin are great nods. John Clapp for MOY for his work with Buffalo. Give Honest John Morrill some comeback love.

12-12-2003, 03:25 PM	#7
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	The tally thus far: Player: Paul Hines 3, John O'Rourke 2. Pitcher: Pud Galvin and John Ward 2 each, Tommy Bond 1. Rookie: John O'Rourke 2. Manager: George Wright 2, John Clapp 1. Comeback: John Morrill, King Kelly, and George Wright 1 each.

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