NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1876 Award Winners

Wolf Hopper · 10-29-2003, 10:34 PM

For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player?

Why?

LeGrandOrange · 10-30-2003, 01:35 AM

Even though I noticed two screw-ups in your post...all players were first year players in the NL in 1876 and, if you're in that school of thought, there would be nothing for players to comeback from, I'll have some fun with it.

Best Batter: Ross Barnes
Inspired a rule change, so must've been good.

Best Pitcher: George Bradley
I could give this to Spalding, but getting 16 shutouts is madly impressive.

Best Rookie: Charley Jones
Couldn't find anyone else.

Best Manager: Al Spalding
Turned .500 team into league champion.

Best Comeback: Jim Devlin
Went from mediocre pitcher to competitive pitcher on bad team.

Wolf Hopper · 10-30-2003, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeGrandOrange

Even though I noticed two screw-ups in your post...all players were first year players in the NL in 1876 and, if you're in that school of thought, there would be nothing for players to comeback from, I'll have some fun with it.

There were leagues and players before 1876 no?

Someone myst have made the pro-debut in 1876? Consider them for Best First Year in the NL Player in 1876. Someone must have been a good pro player in a earlier league, had a set back, and then came back in 1876 in the NL, no? Consider them for NL Best Comeback Player in 1876.

WiredTiger · 10-30-2003, 08:55 AM

Best Batter: Ross Barnes
The best by a longshot.

Best Pitcher: George Bradley
Tough competition between Bradley, Spalding, Devlin and Bond... Tommy Bond. But Bradley was the best by a nose.

Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Terry Larkin
29 wins against 25 losses in his debut.

Best Manager: The dynamic duo of Mase Graffen and George McManus
The Cubs had more talent. Graffen and McManus finished second with a great pitcher and not much else.

Best Comeback: Jim Devlin
Went from below average to Pedroesque.

JamesI · 10-30-2003, 11:13 AM

Batter: Barnes
Pitcher: Bradley
Manager: Spalding
Rookie: LArkin seems to be the best I can find...
comeback, Devlin

Wolf Hopper · 10-30-2003, 03:50 PM

Best Batter: Ross Barnes
Heck, he was the NPOTY in 1876.

Best Pitcher: George Bradley
See Barnes comment.

Best Rookie: John Morrill
Just as good as anyone else.

Best Manager: Al Spalding
More than just an African explorer.

Best Comeback: Punt
I don't know enough to pick someone intelligently.

sweaver · 11-03-2003, 01:14 AM

First, I must protest. Why not start in 1871, with the National Association?

Win Shares are dominated by starting pitchers, in these days of one pitcher: Al Spalding of Chicago and G. Bradley of St. Louis each recorded 57 WS. Jim Devlin of Louisville had 53, Tommy Bond of Hartford 47.

For position players: Ross Barnes of Chicago 20, Jack Manning of Boston 19, Lip Pike, Orator Jim O'Rourke and George Wright 17 each. Cal McVey had 16. And actually, Manning was Boston's second pitcher, played RF when not on the mound, a common practice at the time with substitutions usually not allowed.

It almost has to be Barnes, who dominated the league but would never again have a good season. Among the pitchers I would probably choose Bond, although Devlin and Bradley were great.

SmedIndy · 11-12-2003, 11:17 AM

George Hall also gets a mention, but Barnes dominated.

Hall and Devlin were undone in 1877, however, by a gambling scandal.

Dick Higham gets a nod for comeback as well.

sweaver · 11-12-2003, 11:47 AM

Look out, Smed's in the house!

sweaver · 12-02-2003, 05:46 PM

The tally:

Best player: 6 votes for Ross Barnes.

Best Pitcher: 4 votes for George Bradley, 1 for Tommy Bond. I couldn't tell who Smed liked.

Best rookie: Terry Larkin 2, John Morill and Charley Jones 1 each.

Best manager: Al Spalding 2, others 1.

10-29-2003, 10:34 PM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1876 Award Winners For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player? Why? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Best Batter: Ross Barnes The best by a longshot. Best Pitcher: George Bradley Tough competition between Bradley, Spalding, Devlin and Bond... Tommy Bond. But Bradley was the best by a nose. Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Terry Larkin 29 wins against 25 losses in his debut. Best Manager: The dynamic duo of Mase Graffen and George McManus The Cubs had more talent. Graffen and McManus finished second with a great pitcher and not much else. Best Comeback: Jim Devlin Went from below average to Pedroesque. Last edited by WiredTiger : 10-30-2003 at 09:09 AM.

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Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Best Batter: Ross Barnes Heck, he was the NPOTY in 1876. Best Pitcher: George Bradley See Barnes comment. Best Rookie: John Morrill Just as good as anyone else. Best Manager: Al Spalding More than just an African explorer. Best Comeback: Punt I don't know enough to pick someone intelligently. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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10-30-2003, 01:35 AM	#2
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Even though I noticed two screw-ups in your post...all players were first year players in the NL in 1876 and, if you're in that school of thought, there would be nothing for players to comeback from, I'll have some fun with it. Best Batter: Ross Barnes Inspired a rule change, so must've been good. Best Pitcher: George Bradley I could give this to Spalding, but getting 16 shutouts is madly impressive. Best Rookie: Charley Jones Couldn't find anyone else. Best Manager: Al Spalding Turned .500 team into league champion. Best Comeback: Jim Devlin Went from mediocre pitcher to competitive pitcher on bad team.

10-30-2003, 11:13 AM	#5
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Batter: Barnes Pitcher: Bradley Manager: Spalding Rookie: LArkin seems to be the best I can find... comeback, Devlin

11-03-2003, 01:14 AM	#7
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	First, I must protest. Why not start in 1871, with the National Association? Win Shares are dominated by starting pitchers, in these days of one pitcher: Al Spalding of Chicago and G. Bradley of St. Louis each recorded 57 WS. Jim Devlin of Louisville had 53, Tommy Bond of Hartford 47. For position players: Ross Barnes of Chicago 20, Jack Manning of Boston 19, Lip Pike, Orator Jim O'Rourke and George Wright 17 each. Cal McVey had 16. And actually, Manning was Boston's second pitcher, played RF when not on the mound, a common practice at the time with substitutions usually not allowed. It almost has to be Barnes, who dominated the league but would never again have a good season. Among the pitchers I would probably choose Bond, although Devlin and Bradley were great.

11-12-2003, 11:17 AM	#8
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	George Hall also gets a mention, but Barnes dominated. Hall and Devlin were undone in 1877, however, by a gambling scandal. Dick Higham gets a nod for comeback as well.

11-12-2003, 11:47 AM	#9
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Look out, Smed's in the house!

12-02-2003, 05:46 PM	#10
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	The tally: Best player: 6 votes for Ross Barnes. Best Pitcher: 4 votes for George Bradley, 1 for Tommy Bond. I couldn't tell who Smed liked. Best rookie: Terry Larkin 2, John Morill and Charley Jones 1 each. Best manager: Al Spalding 2, others 1.

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