Saving The Pitcher

cubfan33 · 09-18-2003, 12:18 AM

I'd like to share some news with my NetShrine buddies and for once, I'm sure where to post it!

I have agreed to write a book in the off-season dealing with pitcher injuries. I will be assisted by Tom House and Jim Andrews. It's my hope that it will educate people about the causes and show people that there are ways to lessen or prevent these injuries. Less injured pitchers makes for better baseball.

So, would anyone read this?

gyb13 · 09-18-2003, 12:56 AM

absolutely not. after all, there is nothing one should dread more than those three words - "doctor james andrews"

Wolf Hopper · 09-18-2003, 07:02 AM

Will - for sure I would check it out. But, would I understand it? At what level of understanding/intelligence will the writing style, etc., be aimed?

nyy26wc · 09-18-2003, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubfan33

I'd like to share some news with my NetShrine buddies and for once, I'm sure where to post it!

I have agreed to write a book in the off-season dealing with pitcher injuries. I will be assisted by Tom House and Jim Andrews. It's my hope that it will educate people about the causes and show people that there are ways to lessen or prevent these injuries. Less injured pitchers makes for better baseball.

So, would anyone read this?

Absolutely.

I know pathetically little about injuries, except to report that X is out because of Y. But, I usually don't know much about that Y.

You've done an excellent job with UTK, in terms of explaining things to a science dummy like me to understand, without an overkill of technical material. You're an expert who doesn't talk down to his audience and is also able to convey enough of the technical information that is necessary to report on, but does in a manner that could be understood. I'm sure that, at times, the latter can be a difficult thing to do and I appreciate how well you've done the job.

And, in addition to educating me, if your work is also able to reduce the number of injuries, which would then improve the quality of the product on the field, that would also greatly be appreciated.

Craig S. · 09-18-2003, 01:21 PM

I'll definitely get a copy.

And I've got the same question as Steve - at what level would this be written? Doing it in layman's terms would be helpful to non-medheads.

Skip · 09-18-2003, 02:19 PM

It would definitely depend upon the sophistication level of the target audience. That's a hard middle ground to find. Make it Medheads for Dummies and you lose the serious readers while most of the 'dummies' probably wouldn't care anyway. Make it too sophisticated and a lot of that middle audience (such as many of us here, I presume) would be lost, but it could garner you a lot of respect in the biz.

huskerdru · 09-18-2003, 06:31 PM

I'd read it, for sure. Will you be including anything regarding alternative approaches to pitching aimed at reducing the potential for injury (like Mike Marshall's academy)? Either way, I'm interested.

cubfan33 · 09-18-2003, 11:04 PM

Thanks for the feedback. It will be on much the same level as a book like The Pitching Edge (Tom House) or The Diamond Appraised (without the math.) If you read UTK, you know exactly the level I'll write at. There will be more space to do more fundamentals like anatomy, pitching mechanics, etc - which are also things you'll see at BP in the offseason - but I'm trying to keep an 'ideal reader' in mind, which for me would be the parent of a high school pitcher. They probably know baseball and want to learn more about how to help their child and keep him healthy, but probably don't have a deep medical or statistical background. If I can write to them, I'll probably be at near the right level for a more generally interested audience. If you want more medicine, there are technical journals. If you want more stats, BP 2004 will be out in February. If you want "... For Dummies," go ask Joe Morgan.

Husker: Tom House and Mike Marshall (among others) will be big parts of the book. In the pitching coach section, I'll be speaking with House, Marshall, Mazzone, Peterson, Rothschild, and Gullett and comparing and distilling their approaches.

huskerdru · 09-19-2003, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by cubfan33

Husker: Tom House and Mike Marshall (among others) will be big parts of the book. In the pitching coach section, I'll be speaking with House, Marshall, Mazzone, Peterson, Rothschild, and Gullett and comparing and distilling their approaches.

Mas excellente!! Put me down for a pre-order...assuming, of course, that I can get an autographed copy if I supply the correct postage, etc.

Speaking of Leo the Magnificent, I remember seeing you and him (with some other fellow) many weeks ago on the Worldwide Leader in Sports talking about pitcher abuse...do you have any regular dialog with Mr. Mazzone?

cubfan33 · 09-19-2003, 03:03 PM

The 'other fellow' was Tom House, on Outside the Lines.

I wouldn't say I speak regularly with Mr. Mazzone, but I have his phone number. Unless it's pitching specific, I have a better source in that dugout.

GGC · 09-20-2003, 08:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cubfan33

I'd like to share some news with my NetShrine buddies and for once, I'm sure where to post it!

I have agreed to write a book in the off-season dealing with pitcher injuries. I will be assisted by Tom House and Jim Andrews. It's my hope that it will educate people about the causes and show people that there are ways to lessen or prevent these injuries. Less injured pitchers makes for better baseball.

So, would anyone read this?

It sounds tempting Will. I'll look for it when it comes out.

Wolf Hopper · 09-20-2003, 11:37 PM

Too bad Johnny Sain is 86 - he is still alive, no? - or else I would have said "Reach out to him with the other coaches."

Another I highly recommend Will is Jim Kaat - - if you tell him who else is participating, he might be willing to provide some input as well.

Shoot - if it's a book on "dealing with pitcher injuries" - you may want to reach out to Tommy John - - or someone like Mike Harkey (who, I'm pretty sure is coaching in the bushes) with a history of a bunch of injuries.

Lance Carter could have some good input as well - - didn't he have a couple of Tommy Johns?

And, what about some trainers? I would love to know what Gene M. in NY did for Catfish back in 1978.

rcartman28 · 09-21-2003, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig S.

I'll definitely get a copy.

And I've got the same question as Steve - at what level would this be written? Doing it in layman's terms would be helpful to non-medheads.

About the same goes for me.....I also a non-medhead.....

SmedIndy · 09-22-2003, 09:45 AM

I'll buy it if you buy me a beer!

cubfan33 · 09-22-2003, 05:52 PM

Tommy John's on the list of people to talk to - had him on BPR and he was great. Sain is old and I'm told he's not as on the ball as he once was, but he's 86. Mazzone is very much the protege of Sain, so I think that's as close as I can get. There are several trainers I'll be talking to, but since some of them are sources as well, I have to be careful

Smed, it's YOUR turn to buy ME a beer. Cheapskate.

09-18-2003, 12:18 AM	#1
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Upcoming book I'd like to share some news with my NetShrine buddies and for once, I'm sure where to post it! I have agreed to write a book in the off-season dealing with pitcher injuries. I will be assisted by Tom House and Jim Andrews. It's my hope that it will educate people about the causes and show people that there are ways to lessen or prevent these injuries. Less injured pitchers makes for better baseball. So, would anyone read this? __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

09-18-2003, 12:56 AM	#2
gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	absolutely not. after all, there is nothing one should dread more than those three words - "doctor james andrews" __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

09-18-2003, 07:02 AM	#3
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Will - for sure I would check it out. But, would I understand it? At what level of understanding/intelligence will the writing style, etc., be aimed? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

09-18-2003, 06:31 PM	#7
huskerdru Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Location: Motown (or just north of it) Posts: 540	I'd read it, for sure. Will you be including anything regarding alternative approaches to pitching aimed at reducing the potential for injury (like Mike Marshall's academy)? Either way, I'm interested. __________________ "Computers are stupid; they can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso

09-18-2003, 11:04 PM	#8
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Thanks for the feedback. It will be on much the same level as a book like The Pitching Edge (Tom House) or The Diamond Appraised (without the math.) If you read UTK, you know exactly the level I'll write at. There will be more space to do more fundamentals like anatomy, pitching mechanics, etc - which are also things you'll see at BP in the offseason - but I'm trying to keep an 'ideal reader' in mind, which for me would be the parent of a high school pitcher. They probably know baseball and want to learn more about how to help their child and keep him healthy, but probably don't have a deep medical or statistical background. If I can write to them, I'll probably be at near the right level for a more generally interested audience. If you want more medicine, there are technical journals. If you want more stats, BP 2004 will be out in February. If you want "... For Dummies," go ask Joe Morgan. Husker: Tom House and Mike Marshall (among others) will be big parts of the book. In the pitching coach section, I'll be speaking with House, Marshall, Mazzone, Peterson, Rothschild, and Gullett and comparing and distilling their approaches. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

09-18-2003, 01:21 PM	#5
Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	I'll definitely get a copy. And I've got the same question as Steve - at what level would this be written? Doing it in layman's terms would be helpful to non-medheads.

09-18-2003, 02:19 PM	#6
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	It would definitely depend upon the sophistication level of the target audience. That's a hard middle ground to find. Make it Medheads for Dummies and you lose the serious readers while most of the 'dummies' probably wouldn't care anyway. Make it too sophisticated and a lot of that middle audience (such as many of us here, I presume) would be lost, but it could garner you a lot of respect in the biz.

09-19-2003, 03:03 PM	#10
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	The 'other fellow' was Tom House, on Outside the Lines. I wouldn't say I speak regularly with Mr. Mazzone, but I have his phone number. Unless it's pitching specific, I have a better source in that dugout. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

09-20-2003, 11:37 PM	#12
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Too bad Johnny Sain is 86 - he is still alive, no? - or else I would have said "Reach out to him with the other coaches." Another I highly recommend Will is Jim Kaat - - if you tell him who else is participating, he might be willing to provide some input as well. Shoot - if it's a book on "dealing with pitcher injuries" - you may want to reach out to Tommy John - - or someone like Mike Harkey (who, I'm pretty sure is coaching in the bushes) with a history of a bunch of injuries. Lance Carter could have some good input as well - - didn't he have a couple of Tommy Johns? And, what about some trainers? I would love to know what Gene M. in NY did for Catfish back in 1978. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

09-22-2003, 09:45 AM	#14
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	I'll buy it if you buy me a beer!

09-22-2003, 05:52 PM	#15
cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Tommy John's on the list of people to talk to - had him on BPR and he was great. Sain is old and I'm told he's not as on the ball as he once was, but he's 86. Mazzone is very much the protege of Sain, so I think that's as close as I can get. There are several trainers I'll be talking to, but since some of them are sources as well, I have to be careful Smed, it's YOUR turn to buy ME a beer. Cheapskate. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

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