Pettitte - 12x9 - Ho Hum or Well Done?

Wolf Hopper · 07-24-2003, 10:40 AM

With his win last night, Andy Pettitte (now 12-6 in 2003) became the first pitcher to win at least 12 games in his first nine seasons starting with his rookie year since Hall of Famer Stan Coveleski did it for Cleveland from 1916-26.

Is this a big deal or just a statistical oddity? Why?

SmedIndy · 07-24-2003, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

With his win last night, Andy Pettitte (now 12-6 in 2003) became the first pitcher to win at least 12 games in his first nine seasons starting with his rookie year since Hall of Famer Stan Coveleski did it for Cleveland from 1916-26.

Is this a big deal or just a statistical oddity? Why?

He's good - some of his success in W/L obviously is because of who he plays for. However, his ERA+ is better than what I thought.

Still, you have to be lucky and relatively injury free to get there.

JamesI · 07-24-2003, 10:48 AM

Its nice, but nothing that will make him hall of fame worthy..

sweaver · 07-24-2003, 10:49 AM

He has stayed healthy enough to make 30 starts a year, and pitched for a good team. I think of Pettitte as Tom Glavine Lite, but he can do the job.

Wolf Hopper · 07-24-2003, 10:49 AM

Look at Tom Glavine's stats thru and including age 30. He and Pettitte are very close to each other. It will be interesting to see if Pettitte can manage to get close to 250 wins.

JamesI · 07-24-2003, 10:53 AM

Pettite's only 30?

Wolf Hopper · 07-24-2003, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by JamesI

Pettite's only 30?

He turned 31 last month.

Wolf Hopper · 07-24-2003, 11:23 AM

Pettitte also, win-wise, is on track with Frank Viola's career.

Frankie V stopped winning at 176.

rcartman28 · 07-24-2003, 01:27 PM

Partly talent, partly luck in staying healthy, and partly the fact that he pitches for the Yankees.....oh, and partly lucky in that he survived George's occasional urges to trade him......

Wolf Hopper · 07-24-2003, 01:37 PM

He's a Free Agent this winter, IIRC.
Betcha he signs quickly and for less than market - just to stay with NY - - like O'Neill used to do. He was recently quoted that he could not imagine playing for anyone but the Yankees.

TimmyB · 07-24-2003, 03:54 PM

Gotta give the guy credit -- throught the glory days there have been a lot of pitchers to come and go in pinstripes. He's not a #1 guy, but, I think any team would be happy to have him in the middle of the rotation.

gyb13 · 07-28-2003, 10:51 AM

hmmm...at least in recent years, he's not only been helped by being on a strong team, he's also had better than average support from the Yankee offense when he starts (a la Wells)....his run support and wins over the past few years, compared to the yankee average:

Code:

       RS  NYY    W NYY %
2000 7.61 5.41   19  87 .22
2001 6.46 5.03   15  95 .16
2002 5.21 5.57   13 103 .13
2003 6.61 5.37   12  63 .19

2002 is a bit of an outlier as he only made 22 starts, but he's had great run support

sweaver · 07-29-2003, 11:46 PM

At this point, Pettitte matches up in value with Mel Parnell. He could get a little better.

07-24-2003, 10:49 AM	#5
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Look at Tom Glavine's stats thru and including age 30. He and Pettitte are very close to each other. It will be interesting to see if Pettitte can manage to get close to 250 wins. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Pettitte also, win-wise, is on track with Frank Viola's career. Frankie V stopped winning at 176. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	Partly talent, partly luck in staying healthy, and partly the fact that he pitches for the Yankees.....oh, and partly lucky in that he survived George's occasional urges to trade him...... __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

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Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	He's a Free Agent this winter, IIRC. Betcha he signs quickly and for less than market - just to stay with NY - - like O'Neill used to do. He was recently quoted that he could not imagine playing for anyone but the Yankees. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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gyb13 NS Omnipresent Brasilian Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Crazy George's playground Posts: 10,903	hmmm...at least in recent years, he's not only been helped by being on a strong team, he's also had better than average support from the Yankee offense when he starts (a la Wells)....his run support and wins over the past few years, compared to the yankee average: Code: RS NYY W NYY % 2000 7.61 5.41 19 87 .22 2001 6.46 5.03 15 95 .16 2002 5.21 5.57 13 103 .13 2003 6.61 5.37 12 63 .19 2002 is a bit of an outlier as he only made 22 starts, but he's had great run support __________________ Gustavo NDF Moderator Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin

07-24-2003, 10:40 AM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Pettitte - 12x9 - Ho Hum or Well Done? With his win last night, Andy Pettitte (now 12-6 in 2003) became the first pitcher to win at least 12 games in his first nine seasons starting with his rookie year since Hall of Famer Stan Coveleski did it for Cleveland from 1916-26. Is this a big deal or just a statistical oddity? Why? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

07-24-2003, 10:48 AM	#3
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Its nice, but nothing that will make him hall of fame worthy..

07-24-2003, 10:49 AM	#4
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	He has stayed healthy enough to make 30 starts a year, and pitched for a good team. I think of Pettitte as Tom Glavine Lite, but he can do the job.

07-24-2003, 10:53 AM	#6
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Pettite's only 30?

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TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	Gotta give the guy credit -- throught the glory days there have been a lot of pitchers to come and go in pinstripes. He's not a #1 guy, but, I think any team would be happy to have him in the middle of the rotation.

07-29-2003, 11:46 PM	#13
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	At this point, Pettitte matches up in value with Mel Parnell. He could get a little better.

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