Bosox and Bill James

Soapy · 07-14-2003, 03:18 PM

I always thought this tradition bound team and Bill James was an odd coupling.

The New Yorker examines them.

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030714fa_fact1

Kevin

pwdennis · 07-14-2003, 03:35 PM

It seems logical that the scientific minded John Henry would go this route. As for tradition, well it is better left for Broadway plays such as "Fidler On The Roof" to give it it's proper laurels

Soapy · 07-14-2003, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by pwdennis

It seems logical that the scientific minded John Henry would go this route. As for tradition, well it is better left for Broadway plays such as "Fidler On The Roof" to give it it's proper laurels

LOL.

Of course it was Harry Frazee's poor track record on Broadway that led to him selling Babe Ruth from Boston to New York.

Tradition indeed.

Kevin

sweaver · 07-14-2003, 05:34 PM

According to some, that's a myth. Frazee reportedly thought Ruth's poor training habits would lead to a short career, and dealt him for top dollar. Turned out to be a big mistake, either way.

pathogan · 07-15-2003, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by pwdennis

It seems logical that the scientific minded John Henry would go this route. As for tradition, well it is better left for Broadway plays such as "Fidler On The Roof" to give it it's proper laurels

No No Nanette

Craig S. · 07-15-2003, 11:47 AM

That was a well-done article. It wasn't choked with skepticism about the relationship or a worship of Bill James. Too bad the major sports publications don't write articles like that.

BTW, James' place of work and his habits are one of the funniest bits in the article. Sounds like a truly focused man.

RedSeat · 07-15-2003, 05:30 PM

I don't know when Dan Shaughnessy became the dean of anything. He's of the "mock those who never played the game" school, though I don't think he ever played himself. I agree completely with Bruce Allen's take, as noted on his Boston Sports Media Blog.

"Dan Shaughnessy goes after Bill James again today. His favorite word whenever he talks about James is "scary". But consider this, who is more scary and disturbed as an individual, the guy who uses statistics (facts) and formulas to project what is going to happen to the players and team, or a guy who uses a "curse" that he is largely responsible for perpetrating on the region, from the sale of a player 80-something years ago, to project what is going to happen to the players and team?"

Craig S. · 07-15-2003, 06:04 PM

Stats-obsessed guys like James still continue to be targets, no matter how much validity there might be to his arguments. Thankfully, James has a thick enough skin that these barbs likely mean nothing to him.

cubfan33 · 07-16-2003, 01:34 AM

Thick skinned ... I guess I should get one of those since he called me "some other moron" recently.

Wolf Hopper · 07-16-2003, 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by cubfan33

Thick skinned ... I guess I should get one of those since he called me "some other moron" recently.

Hey, at least you're on his radar.

Skip · 07-16-2003, 07:20 AM

Awww Will ... you know you're not just some other moron ... you're OUR moron.

tfb_00 · 07-16-2003, 10:00 AM

Yeah Will, Shaughnessy is "some other idiot" way more than you are

SmedIndy · 07-16-2003, 11:33 AM

Wilbert - at least you're not a luddite and think that anything past batting average is worthless.

The old-school mediots will never give in to their beliefs. They need to be systematically eliminated!

sweaver · 07-16-2003, 02:41 PM

I think this means Will has arrived, if Shaughnessy refers to him as "some other moron." I have rarely seen one of the CHB's opinions where I didn't think the exact opposite!

hmrsf · 07-21-2003, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by sweaver

I think this means Will has arrived, if Shaughnessy refers to him as "some other moron." I have rarely seen one of the CHB's opinions where I didn't think the exact opposite!

for Will!! Ditto the above!!

BTW Swev, nice CHB referance.

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Soapy NetShrine All-Star Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Iowa Posts: 141	Bosox and Bill James I always thought this tradition bound team and Bill James was an odd coupling. The New Yorker examines them. http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?030714fa_fact1 Kevin __________________ Ogilvie: Well, we committed 24 errors, and their pitcher threw a no hitter against us, but there is some good news! Two of our runners almost managed to get to first base, and we did hit seventeen foul balls! Buttermaker: That's the spirit! Cokes and hot dogs on me!

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pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	It seems logical that the scientific minded John Henry would go this route. As for tradition, well it is better left for Broadway plays such as "Fidler On The Roof" to give it it's proper laurels __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

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cubfan33 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 1,359	Thick skinned ... I guess I should get one of those since he called me "some other moron" recently. __________________ UTK available only at www.baseballprospectus.com "I was pulling for Pete and agreeing with (commissioner) Bud Selig that Pete should be eligible for the Hall of Fame," said Giles, now chairman of the Phillies. "Bud was close to making him eligible right after his meeting with Pete (November 2002). Right after that, Pete got into tax trouble (in California), and that delayed the process." - Phillies Chairman Bill Giles in the Dayton Daily News, January 25th, 2004.

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sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	According to some, that's a myth. Frazee reportedly thought Ruth's poor training habits would lead to a short career, and dealt him for top dollar. Turned out to be a big mistake, either way.

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Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	That was a well-done article. It wasn't choked with skepticism about the relationship or a worship of Bill James. Too bad the major sports publications don't write articles like that. BTW, James' place of work and his habits are one of the funniest bits in the article. Sounds like a truly focused man.

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RedSeat Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: 10.3 miles SE of Yawkey Way Posts: 607	I don't know when Dan Shaughnessy became the dean of anything. He's of the "mock those who never played the game" school, though I don't think he ever played himself. I agree completely with Bruce Allen's take, as noted on his Boston Sports Media Blog. "Dan Shaughnessy goes after Bill James again today. His favorite word whenever he talks about James is "scary". But consider this, who is more scary and disturbed as an individual, the guy who uses statistics (facts) and formulas to project what is going to happen to the players and team, or a guy who uses a "curse" that he is largely responsible for perpetrating on the region, from the sale of a player 80-something years ago, to project what is going to happen to the players and team?"

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Craig S. Guest Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Ohio Posts: 6,330	Stats-obsessed guys like James still continue to be targets, no matter how much validity there might be to his arguments. Thankfully, James has a thick enough skin that these barbs likely mean nothing to him.

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Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	Awww Will ... you know you're not just some other moron ... you're OUR moron.

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tfb_00 NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Fall River, MA Posts: 30	Yeah Will, Shaughnessy is "some other idiot" way more than you are

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SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Wilbert - at least you're not a luddite and think that anything past batting average is worthless. The old-school mediots will never give in to their beliefs. They need to be systematically eliminated!

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sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I think this means Will has arrived, if Shaughnessy refers to him as "some other moron." I have rarely seen one of the CHB's opinions where I didn't think the exact opposite!

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