Griffey out for rest of season

TGwynn19 · 07-18-2003, 06:23 AM

While Jr. will go into the HOF, I think everyone will always ask 'what if" about him.

http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamece...030717_HOU@CIN

LeGrandOrange · 07-18-2003, 07:40 AM

How many times is it now that he's been injured while a Red? I'm starting to feel bad for him...he's injury prone and not even playing on astroturf much anymore...

I think that, for his sake, he needs to be traded. Cincinnati is giving him bad karma. A new start might revive his career and place him in the CF Parthenon officially.

WiredTiger · 07-18-2003, 07:56 AM

He probably needs to go somewhwere and not play CF. He still has done enough to get into the HOF but it's not as much of a slam dunk as it originally looked.

Craig S. · 07-18-2003, 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeGrandOrange

I think that, for his sake, he needs to be traded. Cincinnati is giving him bad karma. A new start might revive his career and place him in the CF Parthenon officially.

Leaving Cincinnati would also give him a fresh start. The fans here are so disenchanted with him at this point that I think it will be hard to win them back.

TGwynn19 · 07-18-2003, 08:07 AM

This also shows why active players should never be voted to any type of All-Century teams, IMO.

Wolf Hopper · 07-18-2003, 08:26 AM

Here's the karma:

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The center fielder ruptured a tendon while running out a double in the sixth inning of the Cincinnati Reds' 5-4 loss to the Houston Astros. Griffey stood at the plate for a moment, as if he thought his drive to left field would be a home run, and then he had to speed up.

Griffey appeared to hurt himself as he rounded first base.

Trev - agreed, 100% about the all-century thing.

I've said this before here; but, I'll say it again. His career will be just like his Dad's. Now, at his current age, his best days are behind him.

satchel · 07-18-2003, 09:10 AM

This makes me so sad ... Junior is the great "what could have been" of his generation. Whatever Bonds is going to achieve before he retires, in seven years or so we'd have seen Junior threatening to top him if it weren't for these injuries.

rcartman28 · 07-18-2003, 09:19 AM

I feel bad for him, too. Obviously, still a Hall Of Famer after he retires, but it would have been fun to have seen what kind of numbers he would have had if he could have stayed healthy.

JamesI · 07-18-2003, 09:30 AM

Junior shouldn't have been on the all century team over Frank Robinson, Stan Musial or Barry Bonds anyway.

If Ken wants to continue his career, he needs to become a left fielder or a DH.

TimmyB · 07-18-2003, 09:43 AM

Another reason to stop admiring your hits and git'cher keister moving around the bases.

The DH idea is probably the only one that's going to work for him if he is going to have any chance at all of getting to 600 HRs. On the other hand, two of his last three injuries have been on the basepaths. (Designated Runner, anyone?)

It's too bad because he's injuring his way down to a lower-tier HOFer. (And, no way should have been on the All Century team... but that's another story.)

Wolf Hopper · 07-18-2003, 09:52 AM

Just saw on ESPN news this AM, in the last 4 years, he will now miss 42% of his team's games. That's a bad ROI for the Reds.

Wolf Hopper · 07-18-2003, 09:58 AM

You know, if you look at the difference between Griffey Sr's stats thru age 30 and after age 30, it's two different guys.

.816 OPS thru age 30.
.766 OPS after age 30.

50 points is a lot.

What's that about the apple and the tree.........

TGwynn19 · 07-18-2003, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TimmyB

Another reason to stop admiring your hits and git'cher keister moving around the bases.

That is a bit unfair. If he had been busting it out of the box to leg out a double, the tendon would have broken anyway. This injury was going to happen one way or another.

TimmyB · 07-18-2003, 11:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TGwynn19

That is a bit unfair. If he had been busting it out of the box to leg out a double, the tendon would have broken anyway. This injury was going to happen one way or another.

Point taken. It's a peeve of mine. I understand.

(Step 1. Admit you have a problem...)

pwdennis · 07-18-2003, 12:24 PM

Sometimes life isn't fair

Griffey finally gets his swing back and this happens

His career, in seasonal notation, looks like this:

11.81 seasons

41 HR - 117 RBI - 108 R

BTW

Juan Gonzales, who came up at the same time:

10.2 seasons

42 HR - 136 RBI - 102 Runs

If Griffey can't stay healthy, Juan will pass him in all of the glamor stats (he's only one behind in rbi), at which point it will be very hard to argue that Juan does not belong in Cooperstown. Actually I think that about two or three decent seasons should clinch the deal for Gonzales anyway

07-18-2003, 06:23 AM	#1
TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	Griffey out for rest of season While Jr. will go into the HOF, I think everyone will always ask 'what if" about him. http://cbs.sportsline.com/mlb/gamece...030717_HOU@CIN

07-18-2003, 09:10 AM	#7
satchel NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 2,601	This makes me so sad ... Junior is the great "what could have been" of his generation. Whatever Bonds is going to achieve before he retires, in seven years or so we'd have seen Junior threatening to top him if it weren't for these injuries. __________________ Rare mold, old vomit - An anagram rejected by Tom Riddle

07-18-2003, 09:19 AM	#8
rcartman28 NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hudson, WI Posts: 1,408	I feel bad for him, too. Obviously, still a Hall Of Famer after he retires, but it would have been fun to have seen what kind of numbers he would have had if he could have stayed healthy. __________________ I would have looked out for the water main. But that's just me..... Brett Favre

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Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Just saw on ESPN news this AM, in the last 4 years, he will now miss 42% of his team's games. That's a bad ROI for the Reds. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

07-18-2003, 09:58 AM	#12
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	You know, if you look at the difference between Griffey Sr's stats thru age 30 and after age 30, it's two different guys. .816 OPS thru age 30. .766 OPS after age 30. 50 points is a lot. What's that about the apple and the tree......... __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	How many times is it now that he's been injured while a Red? I'm starting to feel bad for him...he's injury prone and not even playing on astroturf much anymore... I think that, for his sake, he needs to be traded. Cincinnati is giving him bad karma. A new start might revive his career and place him in the CF Parthenon officially.

07-18-2003, 07:56 AM	#3
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	He probably needs to go somewhwere and not play CF. He still has done enough to get into the HOF but it's not as much of a slam dunk as it originally looked.

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TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	This also shows why active players should never be voted to any type of All-Century teams, IMO.

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JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Junior shouldn't have been on the all century team over Frank Robinson, Stan Musial or Barry Bonds anyway. If Ken wants to continue his career, he needs to become a left fielder or a DH.

07-18-2003, 09:43 AM	#10
TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	Another reason to stop admiring your hits and git'cher keister moving around the bases. The DH idea is probably the only one that's going to work for him if he is going to have any chance at all of getting to 600 HRs. On the other hand, two of his last three injuries have been on the basepaths. (Designated Runner, anyone?) It's too bad because he's injuring his way down to a lower-tier HOFer. (And, no way should have been on the All Century team... but that's another story.)

07-18-2003, 12:24 PM	#15
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Sometimes life isn't fair Griffey finally gets his swing back and this happens His career, in seasonal notation, looks like this: 11.81 seasons 41 HR - 117 RBI - 108 R BTW Juan Gonzales, who came up at the same time: 10.2 seasons 42 HR - 136 RBI - 102 Runs If Griffey can't stay healthy, Juan will pass him in all of the glamor stats (he's only one behind in rbi), at which point it will be very hard to argue that Juan does not belong in Cooperstown. Actually I think that about two or three decent seasons should clinch the deal for Gonzales anyway __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

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