Opinion of the Indians-Rangers Trade?

ronh · 07-19-2003, 09:49 AM

I like the trade of Ryan Ludwick for Shane Spencer and Ricardo Rodriguez from a Cleveland standpoint. The Indians needed right-handed power hitters. Ludwick is a younger and hopefully better version of Spencer.

Rodriguez could be a decent pitcher but the Indians have an excess of starters.

sweaver · 07-19-2003, 09:56 AM

I think the Indians may have given up too much. Isn't Rodriguez's star potential much greater than Ludwick's?

Wolf Hopper · 07-19-2003, 10:04 AM

What exactly are the Rangers going to do with Spencer? Unless that guy with big head is officially out of their plans - - not Igor, the rookie LF from last year.

pathogan · 07-19-2003, 11:50 AM

...hart with his expierence would seem to KNOW the Cleveland system,but steve's right, what are they going to do with spenser?

Craig S. · 07-19-2003, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by sweaver

I think the Indians may have given up too much. Isn't Rodriguez's star potential much greater than Ludwick's?

I think the Rangers are banking on Rodriguez panning out. I can't imagine that they made the deal mainly for Spencer.

LeGrandOrange · 07-19-2003, 12:13 PM

My opinion is that it'll be more worthwhile for both than the Hafner trade.

Indians really did give a lot more than they needed to though. Spencer isn't worth a lot so I'll ignore him. Ludwick only seemed like a potential fairly decent player while I saw Ricky Rodriguez as being potentially quite good. However, pitching is pitching and John Hart is doing well with getting some.

Ludwick probably fills a need though, and it never hurts to have a little extra speed.

satchel · 07-19-2003, 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Craig S.

I think the Rangers are banking on Rodriguez panning out. I can't imagine that they made the deal mainly for Spencer.

I agree - Spencer is filler; Wolf's "guy with the big head" - Kevin Mench - is younger and cheaper and might even turn out to be a better player, though he is on the DL right now.

Someone on baseball tonight last night - I can't recall who - said that back in spring training everyone in the Indians camp pegged Rodriguez as their best young pitcher. As with all trades for prospects, time will tell, but the Rangers might have made a great deal here.

sweaver · 07-19-2003, 12:21 PM

I can only assume that the evening factor is the penchant Rodriguez has shown for getting injured.

Wolf Hopper · 07-19-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sweaver

I can only assume that the evening factor is the penchant Rodriguez has shown for getting injured.

Speaking of which - - since when can you trade a guy who is on the DL?

Ytown Tribe fan · 07-20-2003, 09:04 AM

Cleveland Indians Report has a lengthy take on this that's well worth reading; the upshot being: we got rid of a hurt pitcher and acquired right-handed power and a good outfielder (who is slowed by hip injury recovery). Spencer was a throw in, maybe we could've got more for him, since he was hot lately.

Rodriguez is the wild card here. He had a fine Spring and looked like another Pedro early this year: not afraid to back guys off the plate, good command, etc. Then he had a couple of bad outings and was very uneven after that. Pretty much like ANY young pitcher. Then he got hurt and that was enough for the Tribe.

You gotta assume that Ellis won't be back, and they're going to finally dump Lawton, so Ludwick will get every chance to play. This trade could look like another steal for the Tribe in a year or two.

Wolf Hopper · 07-20-2003, 10:38 AM

I saw Ludwick DH yesterday. I saw nothing there that was impressive. Jim Kaat said he reminded him of Dale Murphy, but, I think that was in appearance only.

Does the Tribe really need another OF/DH guy? Bradley is in CF, Gerut in RF, and they have a bunch of guys for 1B, LF, DH, no?

sweaver · 07-20-2003, 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

Speaking of which - - since when can you trade a guy who is on the DL?

This seems to be a recent development, because it has happened the last couple years, but before as I recall you couldn't.

Tribe 1B/DH/LF: Broussard, Hafner, Escobar? Who else?

JamesI · 07-20-2003, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

Speaking of which - - since when can you trade a guy who is on the DL?

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that players on the DL can be traded with their permission so its not just dumping an injured guy.

ronh · 07-20-2003, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by sweaver

Tribe 1B/DH/LF: Broussard, Hafner, Escobar? Who else?

Ludwick, Crisp, Sizemore, Lawton, Burks (maybe)

OaktownTribeFan · 07-21-2003, 05:17 PM

Rodriguez sure wasn't evaluated for a very long period of time before the trade was made. It's a hasty move. Ludwick has been rated by Sickels as, at best, a B prospect. So Shapiro gives up not one, but two players for him? Right now, I don't like the trade, but we'll see how it pans out.

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ronh NetShrine MVP Join Date: May 2003 Location: Wooster, OH Posts: 160	Opinion of the Indians-Rangers Trade? I like the trade of Ryan Ludwick for Shane Spencer and Ricardo Rodriguez from a Cleveland standpoint. The Indians needed right-handed power hitters. Ludwick is a younger and hopefully better version of Spencer. Rodriguez could be a decent pitcher but the Indians have an excess of starters.

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Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	What exactly are the Rangers going to do with Spencer? Unless that guy with big head is officially out of their plans - - not Igor, the rookie LF from last year. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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pathogan william Blake's Innkeeper Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,828	On the surface ...hart with his expierence would seem to KNOW the Cleveland system,but steve's right, what are they going to do with spenser?

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Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	I saw Ludwick DH yesterday. I saw nothing there that was impressive. Jim Kaat said he reminded him of Dale Murphy, but, I think that was in appearance only. Does the Tribe really need another OF/DH guy? Bradley is in CF, Gerut in RF, and they have a bunch of guys for 1B, LF, DH, no? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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07-19-2003, 09:56 AM	#2
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I think the Indians may have given up too much. Isn't Rodriguez's star potential much greater than Ludwick's?

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LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	My opinion is that it'll be more worthwhile for both than the Hafner trade. Indians really did give a lot more than they needed to though. Spencer isn't worth a lot so I'll ignore him. Ludwick only seemed like a potential fairly decent player while I saw Ricky Rodriguez as being potentially quite good. However, pitching is pitching and John Hart is doing well with getting some. Ludwick probably fills a need though, and it never hurts to have a little extra speed.

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sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	I can only assume that the evening factor is the penchant Rodriguez has shown for getting injured.

07-20-2003, 09:04 AM	#10
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	Cleveland Indians Report has a lengthy take on this that's well worth reading; the upshot being: we got rid of a hurt pitcher and acquired right-handed power and a good outfielder (who is slowed by hip injury recovery). Spencer was a throw in, maybe we could've got more for him, since he was hot lately. Rodriguez is the wild card here. He had a fine Spring and looked like another Pedro early this year: not afraid to back guys off the plate, good command, etc. Then he had a couple of bad outings and was very uneven after that. Pretty much like ANY young pitcher. Then he got hurt and that was enough for the Tribe. You gotta assume that Ellis won't be back, and they're going to finally dump Lawton, so Ludwick will get every chance to play. This trade could look like another steal for the Tribe in a year or two.

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OaktownTribeFan Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Bullpen Posts: 529	Rodriguez sure wasn't evaluated for a very long period of time before the trade was made. It's a hasty move. Ludwick has been rated by Sickels as, at best, a B prospect. So Shapiro gives up not one, but two players for him? Right now, I don't like the trade, but we'll see how it pans out.

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