Raines to retire, says strike will hurt game - Page 2

JamesI · 08-20-2002, 07:26 PM

For the comparison to Baines and Raines, the Rock also played defense. Baines didn't for a long time. Had he gotten the exact same stats as an outfielder and not a DH, he might make the hall.

hugenymetsfan · 08-21-2002, 12:49 PM

Tim Raines in the Hall, yes. First ballot, would be great. Will it happen? Absolutely not. The voters have had their way with players who have had "mishaps" off the field, and Raines is no exception. The fact he became clean and still performed at a high level will definately work to his advantage. Molitor will have that same advantage. (Not to mention 3000 hits help out tremendously) However, he will have to wait patiently while others get enshrined. Will he wait as long as Fergie or Cepeda, well, probably not. I say his tenth year out of the bigs will be a safe bet. A side note about Baines; that is a nice debate issue. Should a player be penalized because his knees bacame so mushy, that he couldn't even finish games as a DH? He grinded his way through much of his career, never did anything but great things in the community, was never a pain in the rear with the press nor his teammates, and put up very HOF-like digits. He was a decent fielder when he was able to play the OF, but I don't know. I can see it both ways. Anyways, that was my aside to the aforementioned thread about the 1600+ RBI. Sorry, I know this was Raines' deal.

pwdennis · 08-21-2002, 03:57 PM

I think that Raines is a solid HOF pick. 1st ballot selection ? Probably not, although he is worthy. Within three years of eligibility ? Probably

Husier · 08-21-2002, 10:26 PM

Tim Raines ... a no-brainer Hall of Famer. Second best leadoff man of all time. Yes, he had an off-the-field problem, but that was 20 years ago and he's been nothing but a model citizen and a class act ever since. One of my personal favorites ...

Fuzzy Bear · 08-22-2002, 07:12 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by SmedIndy
They didn't hold Molitor's drug issue against him, why the double standard with Raines?

I don't think Raines' drug history will hurt him much, but I will say two things about Molitor's candidacy:

1. Molitor is white. The collective "we" appears much more forgiving and forgetting of white players with drug problems, unless they degenerate to the point of a Steve Howe, AND

2. Molitor has a .305 BA with over 3,000 hits. This covers a multitude of sins (such as being a DH for 40% of your career, including the portion where your batting stats rocketed forward).

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JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	For the comparison to Baines and Raines, the Rock also played defense. Baines didn't for a long time. Had he gotten the exact same stats as an outfielder and not a DH, he might make the hall.

08-21-2002, 12:49 PM	#17
hugenymetsfan NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Arlington, VA...Hopefully the future home of some disenchanted franchise Posts: 63	Tim Raines in the Hall, yes. First ballot, would be great. Will it happen? Absolutely not. The voters have had their way with players who have had "mishaps" off the field, and Raines is no exception. The fact he became clean and still performed at a high level will definately work to his advantage. Molitor will have that same advantage. (Not to mention 3000 hits help out tremendously) However, he will have to wait patiently while others get enshrined. Will he wait as long as Fergie or Cepeda, well, probably not. I say his tenth year out of the bigs will be a safe bet. A side note about Baines; that is a nice debate issue. Should a player be penalized because his knees bacame so mushy, that he couldn't even finish games as a DH? He grinded his way through much of his career, never did anything but great things in the community, was never a pain in the rear with the press nor his teammates, and put up very HOF-like digits. He was a decent fielder when he was able to play the OF, but I don't know. I can see it both ways. Anyways, that was my aside to the aforementioned thread about the 1600+ RBI. Sorry, I know this was Raines' deal.

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Husier NetShrine All-Star Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 112	Tim Raines ... a no-brainer Hall of Famer. Second best leadoff man of all time. Yes, he had an off-the-field problem, but that was 20 years ago and he's been nothing but a model citizen and a class act ever since. One of my personal favorites ...

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