Subpoenas

nyy26wc · 03-10-2005, 10:51 AM

Today in Hardball Times--

Rick Ankiel, Ex-Pitcher
by Brian Gunn
Brian reacts to the announcement that Rick Ankiel's days as a pitcher are over.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/daily/a...el-ex-pitcher/

Another True (Outcomes) Hero
by Tom Meagher
The tumultuous saga of Three True Outcomes paladin Russ Branyan.
http://www.hardballtimes.com/daily/a...outcomes-hero/

1) A congressional committee issued subpoenas for Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Jason Giambi, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Frank Thomas and Curt Schilling. The union is considering fighting the subpoenas.

2) Cardinals P Rick Ankiel will try moving to the OF.

In his limited time in the majors, Ankiel has been unable to hit, posing a .310 SLG, .258 OBA, .568 OPS, -8 RCAA in 96 PA.

3) Redsox P Wade Miller says he will miss at least April.

After 3.28 ERA/19 RSAA and 4.13 ERA/7 RSAA seasons, Miller had a 3.35 ERA/10 RSAA in 15 starts, before suffering a season ending shoulder injury in June. He has spent his entire career with the Astros and has a 3.87 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.33, and 56 RSAA in 127 games.

4) The Whitesox signed OF-1B Jeremy Giambi to a minor league contract and sent 1B Jorge Toca, OF Tony Alvarez, C Jonathan Aceves and Ps Enemencio Pacheco and Eduardo Villacis to the minors.

Giambi, who didn't play in the majors in 2004, has 27 RCAA/.807 OPS in 510 career games.

5) The Mets sent 1B Craig Brazell, 2B-3B Aarom Baldiris and P Bobby Keppel to the minors.

6) The Devil Rays sent 3B Brandon Larson and Earl Snyder, OFs Brian Buchanan and Damon Hollins, Cs Paul Hoover and Dan Massiatte and Ps Jimmy Haynes, Joe Beimel, Tim Corcoran, Gerardo Garcia, John Webb, Carlos Hines and Jon Switzer to the minors.

7) The Brewers sent INF Enrique Cruz and Ps Ben Diggins and Dennis Sarfate to the minors.

Crash Course · 03-10-2005, 11:00 AM

Can a subpoena be fought?

nyy26wc · 03-10-2005, 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Course

Can a subpoena be fought?

Yes, in court.

Crash Course · 03-10-2005, 11:11 AM

On what grounds would a fight win?

RascalJones · 03-10-2005, 11:26 AM

I don't know what grounds it can win on, but doesn't congress have better, more important things to do than find out if someone used steroids?

Crash Course · 03-10-2005, 11:35 AM

According to what I heard this AM, Congress just wants to be the light for baseball on steriods because they feel that sunshine the best disinfectant.

I'm starting to think that it couldn't hurt.
But, then, when the next work stoppage happens, it would be great if Congress gets involved then too.

Stageon · 03-10-2005, 12:51 PM

This is really dumb. Aren't you supposed to be innocent until proven guilty? Is Congress going to set a bad precedent here, at the same time encouraging people like Canseco to write sensational (and probably partly fictionalized) tell-alls? Will any athlete actually say "yeah, I used steroids" live on C-Span? Why pick on just these guys? Because they were named in a book? Is that fair? What about the time they miss in spring training, while other guys get their cuts in?

Blech. Keep the government out of it, I say.

-Stageon

Crash Course · 03-10-2005, 12:58 PM

The stupid thing I wonder: Who pays for getting these guys there? And their meals? And their legal fees? Can Congress make someone spend thousands of dollars just because they want to ask them questions? Or, does the government cover the costs on this for anyone they demand come testify?

Makofan · 03-10-2005, 01:25 PM

Shouldn't they wait for the BALCO trial to be over? Maybe Congress should track down how secret documents kept getting leaked to the press first

Crash Course · 03-10-2005, 01:43 PM

They probably know the answer.

nyy26wc · 03-10-2005, 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Course

On what grounds would a fight win?

From a wire report--

Quote:

Stanley Brand, a lawyer for the baseball commissioner's office,
said the committee had no jurisdiction and was interfering with
the federal grand jury by trying to force testimony from Giambi
and others. He said the committee wanted to violate baseball's
first amendment privacy rights and was attempting to "satisfy
their prurient interest into who may and may not have engaged
in this activity."

"The audacity, the legal audacity of subpoenaing someone who's
been a grand jury witness before there's been a trial in the
case in California is just an absolutely excessive and
unprecedented misuse of congressional power," Brand said.

Crash Course · 03-10-2005, 10:05 PM

FWIW, Stanley Brand got killed on the M&M ESPN Radio show this AM. He really came off as clueless.

Bud should have hired Boras.

nyy26wc · 03-10-2005, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Crash Course

FWIW, Stanley Brand got killed on the M&M ESPN Radio show this AM. He really came off as clueless.

Bud should have hired Boras.

There was a problem with Brand's quote. The right to privacy (1) is not a First Amendment and (2) a real dubious argument to assert in this case.

Nevertheless, given the current conservative judicial bench's views on congressional power, MLB's got a shot to get the subpoenas quashed. I won't say it's likely. I'd say the odds are more in favor of them losing. But, this is the kind of case where if you get the right judge, you can prevail.

03-10-2005, 10:51 AM	#1
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Subpoenas Today in Hardball Times-- Rick Ankiel, Ex-Pitcher by Brian Gunn Brian reacts to the announcement that Rick Ankiel's days as a pitcher are over. http://www.hardballtimes.com/daily/a...el-ex-pitcher/ Another True (Outcomes) Hero by Tom Meagher The tumultuous saga of Three True Outcomes paladin Russ Branyan. http://www.hardballtimes.com/daily/a...outcomes-hero/ 1) A congressional committee issued subpoenas for Mark McGwire, Jose Canseco, Jason Giambi, Rafael Palmeiro, Sammy Sosa, Frank Thomas and Curt Schilling. The union is considering fighting the subpoenas. 2) Cardinals P Rick Ankiel will try moving to the OF. In his limited time in the majors, Ankiel has been unable to hit, posing a .310 SLG, .258 OBA, .568 OPS, -8 RCAA in 96 PA. 3) Redsox P Wade Miller says he will miss at least April. After 3.28 ERA/19 RSAA and 4.13 ERA/7 RSAA seasons, Miller had a 3.35 ERA/10 RSAA in 15 starts, before suffering a season ending shoulder injury in June. He has spent his entire career with the Astros and has a 3.87 career ERA, compared to his league average of 4.33, and 56 RSAA in 127 games. 4) The Whitesox signed OF-1B Jeremy Giambi to a minor league contract and sent 1B Jorge Toca, OF Tony Alvarez, C Jonathan Aceves and Ps Enemencio Pacheco and Eduardo Villacis to the minors. Giambi, who didn't play in the majors in 2004, has 27 RCAA/.807 OPS in 510 career games. 5) The Mets sent 1B Craig Brazell, 2B-3B Aarom Baldiris and P Bobby Keppel to the minors. 6) The Devil Rays sent 3B Brandon Larson and Earl Snyder, OFs Brian Buchanan and Damon Hollins, Cs Paul Hoover and Dan Massiatte and Ps Jimmy Haynes, Joe Beimel, Tim Corcoran, Gerardo Garcia, John Webb, Carlos Hines and Jon Switzer to the minors. 7) The Brewers sent INF Enrique Cruz and Ps Ben Diggins and Dennis Sarfate to the minors. __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

03-10-2005, 11:00 AM	#2
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,067	Can a subpoena be fought? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

03-10-2005, 11:11 AM	#4
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,067	On what grounds would a fight win? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

03-10-2005, 11:26 AM	#5
RascalJones NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,862	I don't know what grounds it can win on, but doesn't congress have better, more important things to do than find out if someone used steroids? __________________ "Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -- Red Barber, announcer "The biggest thrill a ballplayer can have is when your son takes after you. That happened when my Bobby was in his championship Little League game. He really showed me something. Struck out three times. Made an error that lost the game. Parents were throwing things at our car and swearing at us as we drove off. Gosh, I was proud." -- Bob Uecker

03-10-2005, 11:35 AM	#6
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,067	According to what I heard this AM, Congress just wants to be the light for baseball on steriods because they feel that sunshine the best disinfectant. I'm starting to think that it couldn't hurt. But, then, when the next work stoppage happens, it would be great if Congress gets involved then too. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

03-10-2005, 12:51 PM	#7
Stageon NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 66	This is really dumb. Aren't you supposed to be innocent until proven guilty? Is Congress going to set a bad precedent here, at the same time encouraging people like Canseco to write sensational (and probably partly fictionalized) tell-alls? Will any athlete actually say "yeah, I used steroids" live on C-Span? Why pick on just these guys? Because they were named in a book? Is that fair? What about the time they miss in spring training, while other guys get their cuts in? Blech. Keep the government out of it, I say. -Stageon

03-10-2005, 12:58 PM	#8
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,067	The stupid thing I wonder: Who pays for getting these guys there? And their meals? And their legal fees? Can Congress make someone spend thousands of dollars just because they want to ask them questions? Or, does the government cover the costs on this for anyone they demand come testify? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

03-10-2005, 01:25 PM	#9
Makofan Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 791	Shouldn't they wait for the BALCO trial to be over? Maybe Congress should track down how secret documents kept getting leaked to the press first

03-10-2005, 01:43 PM	#10
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,067	They probably know the answer. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

03-10-2005, 10:05 PM	#12
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,067	FWIW, Stanley Brand got killed on the M&M ESPN Radio show this AM. He really came off as clueless. Bud should have hired Boras. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

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