Sorry Cubs Fans

Tom · 08-04-2002, 09:30 PM

Your shiny new manager Bruce Kimm, just led your rookie phenom Mark Prior throw 136 pitches in his start.

As pointed out by UTK recently, pitchcounts aren't everything to determining somebodies injuryrisk, but I can't believe that having your 21 year old stud throwing 136 pitches is healthy anyway.

For his sakes and the Cubs future, I hope Kimm loses the manager tag soon. :-)

JamesI · 08-04-2002, 09:38 PM

How do you let a pitcher who is a huge part of that team's future throw 130+ pitches in a really meaningless game.

Max Power · 08-04-2002, 10:25 PM

Shoot, even Baylor had him only go to 120

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Husier · 08-04-2002, 11:40 PM

Ooh, this really burns me up. What is Kimm doing, taking chances with a potential franchise pitcher? Does the Kerry Wood experience mean nothing to these people?

WiredTiger · 08-05-2002, 09:47 AM

But Prior wanted to finish. And everyone knows that ballplayers are always correct.

KCBOOMER · 08-05-2002, 09:51 AM

He may have thrown 136 pitches but it was a night game!

SmedIndy · 08-05-2002, 10:07 AM

Skip · 08-05-2002, 10:12 AM

Smed's always had a way with, uh ..., words (?).

VNV Nation · 08-05-2002, 10:20 AM

So Kimm has been criticized for taking a pitcher out too soon and now for leaving a pitcher in too long. At least we've been consistent and just criticized him no matter what he does.

SmedIndy · 08-05-2002, 11:01 AM

Ah, VNV, applying a broad generality to two separate incidents....

sweaver · 08-05-2002, 11:26 AM

No inconsistency, except on Kimm's part. He was not criticized for taking Leiber out too soon, after he had thrown 136 pitches.

thomasstearns · 08-05-2002, 12:44 PM

I was sick when I saw the box this morning.

But, in a weird way, its not exactly Kimm's fault. He must feel that he has to win to keep his job. His pen has blown a couple leads in the last week. If Prior is cruising, Kimm might feel like he has to leave Prior out there--future be damned. Maybe if the Cubs got rid of this interim crap and immediately hired the person with the best understanding that this is a team for 2003/4/5/...

Fuzzy Bear · 08-05-2002, 06:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tom
Your shiny new manager Bruce Kimm, just led your rookie phenom Mark Prior throw 136 pitches in his start.

If Mark Prior were a dog, the ASPCA would be called in for animal cruelty.

I guess young pitchers in floundering organizations don't receive such protections.

Once upon a time, the Tigers has a young pitcher, Les Cain, who had promise, but mismanagement resulted in him ruining his arm. Cain sued the Tigers and collected. If Cain could collect, what could a stud like Prior receive in lost wages and earnings if Kimm ruins him, especially now, when pitch counts are more closely tracked, and there is greater awareness and documentation of what overwork can do to young pitching arms?

TGwynn19 · 08-05-2002, 07:32 PM

[quote]Originally posted by thomasstearns
[b]
But, in a weird way, its not exactly Kimm's fault. He must feel that he has to win to keep his job.

I agree 1000%. The entire Cub's organization is at fault here. There should be a company wide memo sent out that Prior's arm should be preserved at all costs.

VNV Nation · 08-16-2002, 01:21 AM

After the diabolical Bruce Kimm cruelly allowed Prior to throw 136 pitches (knowing there was an extra day off before his next start), hooked the rookie after just six easy innings in each of his next two games.

Look, Prior ain't Pedro Martinez. He's 6-5, 225 pounds. He has 100 innings in 16 starts. An occasional stretching out isn't going to hurt him.

08-04-2002, 09:30 PM	#1
Tom NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Belgium Posts: 38	Sorry Cubs Fans Your shiny new manager Bruce Kimm, just led your rookie phenom Mark Prior throw 136 pitches in his start. As pointed out by UTK recently, pitchcounts aren't everything to determining somebodies injuryrisk, but I can't believe that having your 21 year old stud throwing 136 pitches is healthy anyway. For his sakes and the Cubs future, I hope Kimm loses the manager tag soon. :-) __________________ Worry ... but know that worrying is about as effective as trying to solve an algebra equation by chewing bubblegum. - Baz Lurhmann

08-04-2002, 10:25 PM	#3
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Shoot, even Baylor had him only go to 120 - - see: http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/...&threadid=4365 __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

08-05-2002, 09:51 AM	#6
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	He may have thrown 136 pitches but it was a night game! __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

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08-04-2002, 09:38 PM	#2
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	How do you let a pitcher who is a huge part of that team's future throw 130+ pitches in a really meaningless game.

08-04-2002, 11:40 PM	#4
Husier NetShrine All-Star Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Kentucky Posts: 112	Ooh, this really burns me up. What is Kimm doing, taking chances with a potential franchise pitcher? Does the Kerry Wood experience mean nothing to these people?

08-05-2002, 09:47 AM	#5
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	But Prior wanted to finish. And everyone knows that ballplayers are always correct.

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08-05-2002, 10:12 AM	#8
Skip NetShrine Vagabond Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Louisville Posts: 7,866	Smed's always had a way with, uh ..., words (?).

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	So Kimm has been criticized for taking a pitcher out too soon and now for leaving a pitcher in too long. At least we've been consistent and just criticized him no matter what he does.

08-05-2002, 11:01 AM	#10
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Ah, VNV, applying a broad generality to two separate incidents....

08-05-2002, 11:26 AM	#11
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	No inconsistency, except on Kimm's part. He was not criticized for taking Leiber out too soon, after he had thrown 136 pitches.

08-05-2002, 12:44 PM	#12
thomasstearns NetShrine All-Star Join Date: May 2002 Location: Montana (cue dueling banjos) Posts: 104	I was sick when I saw the box this morning. But, in a weird way, its not exactly Kimm's fault. He must feel that he has to win to keep his job. His pen has blown a couple leads in the last week. If Prior is cruising, Kimm might feel like he has to leave Prior out there--future be damned. Maybe if the Cubs got rid of this interim crap and immediately hired the person with the best understanding that this is a team for 2003/4/5/...

08-05-2002, 07:32 PM	#14
TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	[quote]Originally posted by thomasstearns [b] But, in a weird way, its not exactly Kimm's fault. He must feel that he has to win to keep his job. I agree 1000%. The entire Cub's organization is at fault here. There should be a company wide memo sent out that Prior's arm should be preserved at all costs.

08-16-2002, 01:21 AM	#15
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	After the diabolical Bruce Kimm cruelly allowed Prior to throw 136 pitches (knowing there was an extra day off before his next start), hooked the rookie after just six easy innings in each of his next two games. Look, Prior ain't Pedro Martinez. He's 6-5, 225 pounds. He has 100 innings in 16 starts. An occasional stretching out isn't going to hurt him.

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