Ben Sheets Should Have Won 2004 NL Cy Young

Crash Course · 11-09-2004, 02:33 PM

Today, Roger Clemens "won" the 2004 Cy Yound Award for the National League.

And, Ben Sheets was robbed of the award.

This season, Sheets was better than Clemens in CG, IP, BB allowed, Ks, ERA, RSAA, Baserunners allowed per 9 IP, Ks per 9 IP, BB allowed per 9 IP, Strikeouts to Walks Allowed ratio, and Neutral Wins.

That's Sheets better than Clemens in 11 key pitching indicators.

Now, many would say, what about Randy Johnson? Well, the Big Unit and Sheets were close in CG, IP, Ks, ERA, RSAA, Baserunners allowed per 9 IP, Ks per 9 IP, and Neutral Wins (with Johnson getting the slight nod in most of these). But, Sheets showed much better control and command this season than Johnson's numbers would support. See:

Code:

2004 NL WALKS/9 IP
1    David Wells          .92
2    Ben Sheets           1.22
3    Greg Maddux          1.40
4    Randy Johnson        1.61

2004 NL STRIKEOUTS/WALKS
1    Ben Sheets           8.25
2    Randy Johnson        6.59
3    David Wells          5.05
4    Greg Maddux          4.58

Therefore, here, the award would go to Sheets - not Johnson, or Clemens.

Now, the fact that Sheets did not even place in the "top 4" in the final voting tells you that the voters this year ignored the stats and went with something else.

What a shame.

KCBOOMER · 11-09-2004, 03:36 PM

The Big Unit had 50 RSAA to Sheets 45. That is an edge in overall performance to the Unit, but not so big that a case can't be made for Sheets. Pitching for the Brewers is a tough way to win a CYA.

Crash Course · 11-09-2004, 03:40 PM

FWIW, it was the best season by a RH Brewers pitcher ever - by far.

PianoMonkey · 11-09-2004, 07:14 PM

WIth my aforementioned forgetfulness with regards to the Brewers' existence, it should go without saying that I overlooked Sheets this year, too.

guidry49 · 11-12-2004, 12:10 PM

Milwaukee? they have a baseball team? I know they have a stadium, but I hear they use it for bowling tournaments.

Steve- going back to your gold glove posting, and how maybe the best person doesn't always get the award...maybe Clemens got this award out of respect as well. Food for thought.

Crash Course · 11-12-2004, 01:18 PM

No question that rep played into it.

Makofan · 11-12-2004, 03:10 PM

Well it was a better choice than the Steve Bedrosian Cy Young, but as disputable as the Fernando Valenzuela Cy Young. Although I thought Randy was better, Sheets winning it would have been ok too.

huskerdru · 11-15-2004, 08:04 AM

In this case, at least, I think it's become a pitching-MVP award. Port these guys into an MVP debate, and, acc to the prevailing conventional wisdom, Clemens would be widely considered the 'most-valuable" of the three (based largely on 'Win' total and playing for a relevant team). I ain't sayin' it's right...

11-09-2004, 02:33 PM	#1
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Ben Sheets Should Have Won 2004 NL Cy Young Today, Roger Clemens "won" the 2004 Cy Yound Award for the National League. And, Ben Sheets was robbed of the award. This season, Sheets was better than Clemens in CG, IP, BB allowed, Ks, ERA, RSAA, Baserunners allowed per 9 IP, Ks per 9 IP, BB allowed per 9 IP, Strikeouts to Walks Allowed ratio, and Neutral Wins. That's Sheets better than Clemens in 11 key pitching indicators. Now, many would say, what about Randy Johnson? Well, the Big Unit and Sheets were close in CG, IP, Ks, ERA, RSAA, Baserunners allowed per 9 IP, Ks per 9 IP, and Neutral Wins (with Johnson getting the slight nod in most of these). But, Sheets showed much better control and command this season than Johnson's numbers would support. See: Code: 2004 NL WALKS/9 IP 1 David Wells .92 2 Ben Sheets 1.22 3 Greg Maddux 1.40 4 Randy Johnson 1.61 2004 NL STRIKEOUTS/WALKS 1 Ben Sheets 8.25 2 Randy Johnson 6.59 3 David Wells 5.05 4 Greg Maddux 4.58 Therefore, here, the award would go to Sheets - not Johnson, or Clemens. Now, the fact that Sheets did not even place in the "top 4" in the final voting tells you that the voters this year ignored the stats and went with something else. What a shame. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-09-2004, 03:36 PM	#2
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	The Big Unit had 50 RSAA to Sheets 45. That is an edge in overall performance to the Unit, but not so big that a case can't be made for Sheets. Pitching for the Brewers is a tough way to win a CYA. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

11-09-2004, 03:40 PM	#3
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	FWIW, it was the best season by a RH Brewers pitcher ever - by far. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-09-2004, 07:14 PM	#4
PianoMonkey Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: (Former) Home of the Blades Posts: 838	WIth my aforementioned forgetfulness with regards to the Brewers' existence, it should go without saying that I overlooked Sheets this year, too. __________________ "We can’t win at home, we can’t win on the road, and quite frankly, I don’t know where else to play.”

11-12-2004, 12:10 PM	#5
guidry49 NetShrine Fan Favorite Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Swamps Posts: 80	Milwaukee? they have a baseball team? I know they have a stadium, but I hear they use it for bowling tournaments. Steve- going back to your gold glove posting, and how maybe the best person doesn't always get the award...maybe Clemens got this award out of respect as well. Food for thought. __________________ -Gator "3000 Years of beautiful tradition from Moses to Sandy Koufax...you're damn right I'm living in the past!"- W.S.

11-12-2004, 01:18 PM	#6
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	No question that rep played into it. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

11-12-2004, 03:10 PM	#7
Makofan Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 791	Well it was a better choice than the Steve Bedrosian Cy Young, but as disputable as the Fernando Valenzuela Cy Young. Although I thought Randy was better, Sheets winning it would have been ok too.

11-15-2004, 08:04 AM	#8
huskerdru Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: May 2003 Location: Motown (or just north of it) Posts: 540	In this case, at least, I think it's become a pitching-MVP award. Port these guys into an MVP debate, and, acc to the prevailing conventional wisdom, Clemens would be widely considered the 'most-valuable" of the three (based largely on 'Win' total and playing for a relevant team). I ain't sayin' it's right... __________________ "Computers are stupid; they can only give you answers." - Pablo Picasso

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