David Gene Parker "Cobra"

Crash Course · 12-06-2006, 10:27 PM

He played in the major leagues from 1973 to 1991.

nyy26wc · 12-07-2006, 12:01 AM

Almost all of his value comes in a short peak, but it's good enough.

242 RCAA

crazydiamond · 12-07-2006, 12:08 AM

from 1975-1979, he was one of the best in the game, racking up 213 RCAA
the other 14 years, he put up just 29
I vote yes, but only barely
I could easily make an argument for no

KCBOOMER · 12-07-2006, 09:12 AM

Yeah, his career is all spike, but it was a heck of a spike. Just another guy who had HoF talent and minor league judgment.

--JDD · 12-09-2006, 07:32 PM

If any of you voted for this guy, then you should have voted for Steve Garvey too. They were two of the most dangerous hitters in that same era. How Parker gets 100% and Garvey failed to pass your tests shocks me. Perhaps you did not see either man play.

Garvey is actually more deserving, because he did not poison his own body and thereby hurt his own team. And when Parker was not in the line-up, the Pirates suffered with the likes of Milner and Robinson and Lacy.

nyy26wc · 12-09-2006, 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by --JDD

If any of you voted for this guy, then you should have voted for Steve Garvey too. They were two of the most dangerous hitters in that same era. How Parker gets 100% and Garvey failed to pass your tests shocks me. Perhaps you did not see either man play.

If you had seen Garvey play, you would have seen his skill at outmaking. Garvey had a career OBA below the league average. If you had seen Garvey play, you would have seen that he was one of the best players in the league at walking off the field after making an out. He finished in the top 10 in that 8 times in 11 years.

Over a 12 year span (1975-86), Garvey was #1 in the majors in making outs. He kicked Dave Concepcion's butt in terms of being the best in the NL, doing it by a margin of close to 400 outs.

On the other hand, compared to Garvey, Parker was lousy at outmaking. Over the same time that anyone watching Garvey play would have seen him make more outs than anyone in the majors, watching Parker would show you someone who wasn't even good enough at outmaking to rank in the top 10.

--JDD · 12-11-2006, 10:06 PM

If you play every day,

and I mean EVERY day,

and you are paid to swing the bat,

and I mean to NOT take a walk,

doesn't it stand to reason that this type of player will make a few outs along the way?

Run a report on the most total bases from 1973 to 1982. Garvey's name is at the TOP of the list. If you consider how many games he played in that time, his number of outs is not out of line.

Staying in the lineup has lost its magic over the years. That has a lot of value if your alternative is Ed Goodson.

And consider this idea... in a baseball game, SOMEONE has to make the outs, that is how we mark time. But NO ONE has to record bases, or drive in runs. So the volume there must also be measured and respected. If he were a lead-off type, then I would dock him for his relatively low OBP. But he was paid to hit the ball safely as many times as possible. Two hundred times a year... and about that many Runs+RBI each season along the way. All in a low offensive era in a pitcher's park.

That deserves some love.

crazydiamond · 12-11-2006, 11:39 PM

love, yes
recognition as one of the all-time great ballplayers, no

rc3000 · 12-12-2006, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by --JDD

That deserves some love.

Given some of the post-career revelations about him I think he got plenty of love.

RascalJones · 12-12-2006, 10:51 AM

Funny how we had to wait until the Garvey ballot was closed to have someone defend him in a Dave Parker ballot.

Crash Course · 01-02-2007, 03:34 PM

FWIW, Paul O'Neill was rejected and Gil Hodges got in. Seems Cooperstown is not alone in some inconsistencies. Fear not, those who just missed on rejection will be relooked at again someday.

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12-07-2006, 12:01 AM	#2
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Almost all of his value comes in a short peak, but it's good enough. 242 RCAA __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

12-07-2006, 09:12 AM	#4
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Yeah, his career is all spike, but it was a heck of a spike. Just another guy who had HoF talent and minor league judgment. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

12-09-2006, 07:32 PM	#5
--JDD NetShrine All-Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Williamsport, Home of Little League Baseball Posts: 126	If any of you voted for this guy, then you should have voted for Steve Garvey too. They were two of the most dangerous hitters in that same era. How Parker gets 100% and Garvey failed to pass your tests shocks me. Perhaps you did not see either man play. Garvey is actually more deserving, because he did not poison his own body and thereby hurt his own team. And when Parker was not in the line-up, the Pirates suffered with the likes of Milner and Robinson and Lacy. __________________ -- JDD

12-11-2006, 10:06 PM	#7
--JDD NetShrine All-Star Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Williamsport, Home of Little League Baseball Posts: 126	If you play every day, and I mean EVERY day, and you are paid to swing the bat, and I mean to NOT take a walk, doesn't it stand to reason that this type of player will make a few outs along the way? Run a report on the most total bases from 1973 to 1982. Garvey's name is at the TOP of the list. If you consider how many games he played in that time, his number of outs is not out of line. Staying in the lineup has lost its magic over the years. That has a lot of value if your alternative is Ed Goodson. And consider this idea... in a baseball game, SOMEONE has to make the outs, that is how we mark time. But NO ONE has to record bases, or drive in runs. So the volume there must also be measured and respected. If he were a lead-off type, then I would dock him for his relatively low OBP. But he was paid to hit the ball safely as many times as possible. Two hundred times a year... and about that many Runs+RBI each season along the way. All in a low offensive era in a pitcher's park. That deserves some love. __________________ -- JDD

12-06-2006, 10:27 PM	#1
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	David Gene Parker "Cobra" He played in the major leagues from 1973 to 1991. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

12-07-2006, 12:08 AM	#3
crazydiamond Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 935	from 1975-1979, he was one of the best in the game, racking up 213 RCAA the other 14 years, he put up just 29 I vote yes, but only barely I could easily make an argument for no

12-11-2006, 11:39 PM	#8
crazydiamond Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 935	love, yes recognition as one of the all-time great ballplayers, no

12-12-2006, 10:51 AM	#10
RascalJones NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Columbus, Ohio Posts: 1,862	Funny how we had to wait until the Garvey ballot was closed to have someone defend him in a Dave Parker ballot. __________________ "Baseball is dull only to dull minds." -- Red Barber, announcer "The biggest thrill a ballplayer can have is when your son takes after you. That happened when my Bobby was in his championship Little League game. He really showed me something. Struck out three times. Made an error that lost the game. Parents were throwing things at our car and swearing at us as we drove off. Gosh, I was proud." -- Bob Uecker

01-02-2007, 03:34 PM	#11
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	FWIW, Paul O'Neill was rejected and Gil Hodges got in. Seems Cooperstown is not alone in some inconsistencies. Fear not, those who just missed on rejection will be relooked at again someday. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

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