John Karl Wetteland

Crash Course · 09-15-2006, 12:48 PM

He pitched in the major leagues from 1989 to 2000.

mainsr · 09-15-2006, 01:19 PM

Hard for me to get all that excited about a reliever unless he's utterly dominant, like Fingers or Hoffman or Eck. I voted no.

nyy26wc · 09-15-2006, 01:43 PM

No.

Only 119 career RSAA
Only 765 career IP

rc3000 · 09-15-2006, 02:42 PM

I agree on Wetteland. Lee is there anyway in the encyclopedia to separate by reliever vs. Starter? In other words to try and get a basis, could you provide the RSAA of some of "elite" relievers?

captain_napalm · 09-15-2006, 02:50 PM

Fernando Seguinol... The Expos couldn't do better?

Pass. Not particularly memorable, but I was glad the Yanks had him around. Well, except for gm 4 of the 1995 ALDS

nyy26wc · 09-15-2006, 03:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rc3000

I agree on Wetteland. Lee is there anyway in the encyclopedia to separate by reliever vs. Starter? In other words to try and get a basis, could you provide the RSAA of some of "elite" relievers?

You need to define what a reliever is.

In other words, how many starts would disqualify a pitcher. Then, the encyclopedia can sort based on GS > whatever.

KCBOOMER · 09-15-2006, 04:10 PM

Less than 800 IP's kills him for me. I don't care what level of quality you have if you can't generate some quantity.

rc3000 · 09-15-2006, 05:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyy26wc

You need to define what a reliever is.

In other words, how many starts would disqualify a pitcher. Then, the encyclopedia can sort based on GS > whatever.

Cool I hearby declare a reliever as someone with less then 55 starts (I looked up Wilhelm) of course this would eliminate Eck but oh well

nyy26wc · 09-15-2006, 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by rc3000

Cool I hearby declare a reliever as someone with less then 55 starts (I looked up Wilhelm) of course this would eliminate Eck but oh well

Here are the RSAA leaders under that criteria--

Code:

RSAA                           RSAA      GS     
1    Hoyt Wilhelm                282       52   
2    Mariano Rivera              221       10   
3    Goose Gossage               160       37   
4    Billy Wagner                151        0   
5    John Franco                 149        0   
T6   Dan Quisenberry             148        0   
T6   Kent Tekulve                148        0   
8    Lee Smith                   143        6   
9    John Hiller                 136       43   
10   Roberto Hernandez           135        3

I was surprised to not see Trevor Hoffman. BUt, he only has 127.

rc3000 · 09-15-2006, 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyy26wc

Here are the RSAA leaders under that criteria--

I was surprised to not see Trevor Hoffman in there. But, he only has 127.

Thanks that is surprising about Hoffman

nyy26wc · 09-15-2006, 05:25 PM

Just for the record, Eckersley as a reliever is pretty far away from this list.

In years in which he didn't start, he had 77 RSAA. But, let's raise that up to 90, since his 54 G/2 GS season in 1987 really should count as a relief season.

Others who don't make the list--

Sutter, 123 RSAA
Hoffman, 127 RSAA
Fingers, 103 RSAA
Lyle, 122 RSAA

rc3000 · 09-15-2006, 05:30 PM

Lee just a general question do you ever seeing a way to factor in inherited runners when computing RSAA. Or is it meaningless/misleading since those runs would have already been factored in for someone else? Actually I doubt this info would be readily available anyway.

rc3000 · 09-15-2006, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyy26wc

Sutter, 123 RSAA
Hoffman, 127 RSAA
Fingers, 103 RSAA
Lyle, 122 RSAA

It is amazing how underated Hiller is considering the people he ranks above. I was happy to see one of my favorites, Tekulve, ranked.

nyy26wc · 09-15-2006, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by rc3000

Lee just a general question do you ever seeing a way to factor in inherited runners when computing RSAA. Or is it meaningless/misleading since those runs would have already been factored in for someone else? Actually I doubt this info would be readily available anyway.

Those runs are already factored in, but for someone else (the person who put them on base).

I'm not really sure how to incorporate them and getting my hands on all of the historical data would also a problem.

I'm not sure of whether it really matters. Do pitchers who have other pitchers cost them/save them more runs than expected in a year have that continue through their careers or does it balance itself out over the course of a career? I don't know.

But, what I do suspect is that pitchers who are good at stranding their inherited runners are good pitchers, and being a good pitcher is thus reflected in their RSAA and similarily with bad at allowing inherited runners to score.

LisaG · 10-03-2006, 10:24 PM

ECK, no

another guy who wouldn't even be on this list if he wasn't a yankee

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09-15-2006, 01:43 PM	#3
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	No. Only 119 career RSAA Only 765 career IP __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007. Last edited by nyy26wc : 09-15-2006 at 01:45 PM.

09-15-2006, 02:42 PM	#4
rc3000 Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 543	I agree on Wetteland. Lee is there anyway in the encyclopedia to separate by reliever vs. Starter? In other words to try and get a basis, could you provide the RSAA of some of "elite" relievers? __________________ Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth - Roberto Clemente

09-15-2006, 02:50 PM	#5
captain_napalm NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ny Posts: 1,611	Fernando Seguinol... The Expos couldn't do better? Pass. Not particularly memorable, but I was glad the Yanks had him around. Well, except for gm 4 of the 1995 ALDS __________________ "Cheating is baseball's oldest profession. No other game is so rich in skullduggery, so suited to it or so proud of it." - Thomas Boswell

09-15-2006, 04:10 PM	#7
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Less than 800 IP's kills him for me. I don't care what level of quality you have if you can't generate some quantity. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-15-2006, 05:25 PM	#11
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Just for the record, Eckersley as a reliever is pretty far away from this list. In years in which he didn't start, he had 77 RSAA. But, let's raise that up to 90, since his 54 G/2 GS season in 1987 really should count as a relief season. Others who don't make the list-- Sutter, 123 RSAA Hoffman, 127 RSAA Fingers, 103 RSAA Lyle, 122 RSAA __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

09-15-2006, 05:30 PM	#12
rc3000 Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 543	Lee just a general question do you ever seeing a way to factor in inherited runners when computing RSAA. Or is it meaningless/misleading since those runs would have already been factored in for someone else? Actually I doubt this info would be readily available anyway. __________________ Anytime you have an opportunity to make things better and you don't, then you are wasting your time on this Earth - Roberto Clemente

10-03-2006, 10:24 PM	#15
LisaG All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: texas Posts: 371	ECK, no another guy who wouldn't even be on this list if he wasn't a yankee

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