NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1881 Award Winners

Wolf Hopper · 11-05-2003, 06:11 AM

For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player?

Why?

sweaver · 11-05-2003, 09:17 AM

More fun with Win Shares:

Pitchers; Jim Whitney (Boston) 42, Pud Galvin (Buffalo) 36, Jim McCormick (Cleveland) and George Derby (Detroit) 34, Larry Corcoran (Chicago) 30.

Position players; Cap Anson (Chicago) 22, Tom York (Providence) 17, Paul Hines, Joe Start (both Providence) and King Kelly (Chicago) 16, several with 15.

I'd pick George Derby as the best pitcher in the league this year. Derby was something of a one-year wonder, slumping in 1882, terrible in 1883, then out of the league. But he was terrific for Detroit in 1881. Led the league in strikeouts and shutouts, third in wins for a .500 team.

Among players, this was truly Anson's year. He led the league in batting average, on-base, OPS, RBI, hits, total bases, and OPS+. A dominating performance for Cap at age 29.

Rookie of the year was Derby, although he had virtually no career afterwards.

I have avoided selecting manager and comeback players so far, because that's harder to do.

WiredTiger · 11-05-2003, 10:38 AM

Best Batter: Cap Anson
Great batter less than great person.

Best Pitcher: Jonah Derby
Tough race but Derby had 29 wins and an ERA of 2.20 in a hitter's park.

Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Jonah Derby

Best Manager: Jim O'Rourke
Lead the Buffalo Bisons to a huge improvement

Best Comeback: Jack Rowe
Bounced back from a below average year to post a OPS+ of 153

Wolf Hopper · 11-05-2003, 11:09 AM

Derby and Anson were the NPOTY for 1881. I'll go with them, where applicable. Others to follow.

Wolf Hopper · 11-05-2003, 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WiredTiger

Best Batter: Cap Anson
Great batter less than great person.

Best Pitcher: Jonah Derby
Tough race but Derby had 29 wins and an ERA of 2.20 in a hitter's park.

Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Jonah Derby

Best Manager: Jim O'Rourke
Lead the Buffalo Bisons to a huge improvement

Best Comeback: Jack Rowe
Bounced back from a below average year to post a OPS+ of 153

Jonah? You mean George, no?

WiredTiger · 11-05-2003, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

Jonah? You mean George, no?

Same guy. He went by Jonah also according to baseball-reference.

LeGrandOrange · 11-06-2003, 01:34 AM

Best Hitter: Cap Anson
Started becoming baseball's first superstar that year.

Best Pitcher: Larry Corcoran
Had worse season than his 1880 campaign, but was still the best pitcher.

Best Rookie: George Derby
Beats out Charlie Radbourn because of league leading 9 shutouts.

Best Manager: Jim O'Rourke
Improved lowly Buffalo team by 21 games.

Best Comeback: Charlie Bennett
Didn't just have first great year at the plate, had stellar year behind it.

SmedIndy · 11-12-2003, 11:33 AM

Comeback - a nomination for Sadie Houck.

Split my ROY vote between Derby and Grashopper Jim Whitney.

Anson MVP. Corcoran Cy. O'Rourke MOY.

sweaver · 12-12-2003, 08:23 PM

Tallying:

Player: Cap Anson 5, everybody else 0.

Pitcher: George Derby 3, Tim Corcoran 2.

Rookie: Derby 3.5, Jim Whitney 0.5

Manager: Jim O'Rourke 3.

Comeback: Charlie Bennett, Sadie Houck, and Jack Rowe 1 each.

11-05-2003, 06:11 AM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	NDF 2003-04 Winter Fun - 1881 Award Winners For the season referenced in the subject line of this thread, who would be your pick for NL Best Batter, NL Best Pitcher, Best First Year in the NL Player, NL Manager of the Year, and NL Best Comeback Player? Why? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

11-05-2003, 11:09 AM	#4
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	Derby and Anson were the NPOTY for 1881. I'll go with them, where applicable. Others to follow. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

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11-05-2003, 09:17 AM	#2
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	More fun with Win Shares: Pitchers; Jim Whitney (Boston) 42, Pud Galvin (Buffalo) 36, Jim McCormick (Cleveland) and George Derby (Detroit) 34, Larry Corcoran (Chicago) 30. Position players; Cap Anson (Chicago) 22, Tom York (Providence) 17, Paul Hines, Joe Start (both Providence) and King Kelly (Chicago) 16, several with 15. I'd pick George Derby as the best pitcher in the league this year. Derby was something of a one-year wonder, slumping in 1882, terrible in 1883, then out of the league. But he was terrific for Detroit in 1881. Led the league in strikeouts and shutouts, third in wins for a .500 team. Among players, this was truly Anson's year. He led the league in batting average, on-base, OPS, RBI, hits, total bases, and OPS+. A dominating performance for Cap at age 29. Rookie of the year was Derby, although he had virtually no career afterwards. I have avoided selecting manager and comeback players so far, because that's harder to do.

11-05-2003, 10:38 AM	#3
WiredTiger Guest Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: The city of Kaline, Cobb and Greenberg Posts: 3,395	Best Batter: Cap Anson Great batter less than great person. Best Pitcher: Jonah Derby Tough race but Derby had 29 wins and an ERA of 2.20 in a hitter's park. Best Rookie (I am going by baseball-reference's debut listing): Jonah Derby Best Manager: Jim O'Rourke Lead the Buffalo Bisons to a huge improvement Best Comeback: Jack Rowe Bounced back from a below average year to post a OPS+ of 153

11-06-2003, 01:34 AM	#7
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	Best Hitter: Cap Anson Started becoming baseball's first superstar that year. Best Pitcher: Larry Corcoran Had worse season than his 1880 campaign, but was still the best pitcher. Best Rookie: George Derby Beats out Charlie Radbourn because of league leading 9 shutouts. Best Manager: Jim O'Rourke Improved lowly Buffalo team by 21 games. Best Comeback: Charlie Bennett Didn't just have first great year at the plate, had stellar year behind it.

11-12-2003, 11:33 AM	#8
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Comeback - a nomination for Sadie Houck. Split my ROY vote between Derby and Grashopper Jim Whitney. Anson MVP. Corcoran Cy. O'Rourke MOY.

12-12-2003, 08:23 PM	#9
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Tallying: Player: Cap Anson 5, everybody else 0. Pitcher: George Derby 3, Tim Corcoran 2. Rookie: Derby 3.5, Jim Whitney 0.5 Manager: Jim O'Rourke 3. Comeback: Charlie Bennett, Sadie Houck, and Jack Rowe 1 each.

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