Andruw Jones--age 23

[nyy26wc]

Net had asked how many players had better years, at age of 23, than Andruw Jones did in 2000.

This afternoon, I built the part of the encyclopedia that enables me to answer the question and the answer is plenty of them--both in terms of players throughout history and players who played this year.

Here's how Jones's season ranks in some key stats--

1) Jones had 31 RCAA.

Here's the top 10 for age 23--
1 Ted Williams 1942 122
2 Arky Vaughan 1935 98
3 Ty Cobb 1910 97
4 Mickey Mantle 1955 85
5 Stan Musial 1944 84
6 Joe Jackson 1913 83
7 Reggie Jackson 1969 81
8 Frank Thomas 1991 77
9 Willie Mays 1954 75
10 Mel Ott 1932 74

Players who played this year who had 31+ RCAA at Jones's age--Frank Thomas (77, 1991), Ken Griffey Jr. (70, 1993), Jose Canseco (67, 1988), Mark McGwire (62, 1987), Juan Gonzalez (56, 1993), Cal Ripken (49, 1984), Gary Sheffield (47, 1992), Ruben Sierra (46, 1989), Tim Raines (46, 1983), Manny Ramirez (43, 1995), Barry Bonds (39, 1988), Scott Rolen (38, 1998), Vladimir Guerrero (35, 1999).

Jones's 31 RCAA are only tied for 74th on the all time list.

2) Jones had a .907 OPS

Here's the top 10 for age 23--
1 Ted Williams 1942 1.147
2 Arky Vaughan 1935 1.098
3 Willie Mays 1954 1.078
4 Mickey Mantle 1955 1.042
5 Hal Trosky 1936 1.026
6 Ken Griffey Jr. 1993 1.025
7 Mel Ott 1932 1.025
8 Reggie Jackson 1969 1.018
9 Eddie Mathews 1955 1.014
10 Al Simmons 1925 1.012

Players who played this year who had a .907+ OPS at Jones's age--Ken Griffey Jr. (1.025, 1993), Troy Glaus (1.008, 2000), Frank Thomas (1.006, 1991), Juan Gonzalez (1.000, 1993), Mark McGwire (.987, 1987), Vladimir Guerrero (.978, 1999), Gary Sheffield (.965, 1992), Manny Ramirez (.960, 1995), Jose Canseco (.959, 1988), Alex Rodriguez (.943, 1999), Scott Rolen (.923, 1998)

Jones's .907 OPS ranks 48th among 23 year olds.

3) Jones had a .541 SLG

Here's the top 10 for age 23--
1 Willie Mays 1954 .667
2 Ted Williams 1942 .648
3 Hal Trosky 1936 .644
4 Juan Gonzalez 1993 .632
5 Mark McGwire 1987 .618
6 Ken Griffey Jr. 1993 .617
7 Mickey Mantle 1955 .611
8 Orlando Cepeda 1961 .609
9 Reggie Jackson 1969 .608
10 Arky Vaughan 1935 .607


Players who played this year with a .541+ SLG at Jones's age--Juan Gonzalez (.632, 1993), Mark McGwire (.618, 1987), Ken Griffey Jr. (.617, 1993), Troy Glaus (.604, 2000), Vladimir Guerrero (.600, 1999), Alex Rodriguez (.586, 1999), Gary Sheffield (.580, 1992), Jose Canseco (.569, 1988), Manny Ramirez (.558, 1995), Frank Thomas (.553, 1991), Ruben Sierra (.543, 1989). Just missed--Eric Chavez (.540, 2001)

Jones's .541 SLG ranked 37th among 23 year olds


4) Jones had a .366 OBA

Here's the top 10 for age 23--
1 Ted Williams 1942 .499
2 Arky Vaughan 1935 .491
3 Joe Jackson 1913 .460
4 Ty Cobb 1910 .456
5 Frank Thomas 1991 .453
6 Eddie Yost 1950 .440
7 Stan Musial 1944 .440
8 Mickey Mantle 1955 .431
9 Woody English 1930 .430
10 Ross Youngs 1920 .427

Players who played this year who had a .366+ OBA at the age of 23--Frank Thomas (.453, 1991), Ken Griffey Jr. (.408, 1993), Troy Glaus (.404, 2000), Manny Ramirez (.402, 1995), Rickey Henderson (.398, 1982), Tim Raines (.393, 1983), Scott Rolen (.391, 1998), Edgardo Alfonzo (.391, 1997), Jose Canseco (.391, 1988), Jason Kendall (.391, 1997), Jeff Bagwell (.387, 1991), Gary Sheffield (.385, 1992), Chuck Knoblauch (.384, 1992), Luis Castillo (.384, 1999), Vladimir Guerrero (.378, 1999), Juan Pierre (.378, 2001), John Olerud (.375, 1992), Cal Ripken (.374, 1984), Derek Jeter (.370, 1997), Mark McGwire (.370, 1987), Barry Bonds (.368, 1988), Juan Gonzalez (.368, 1993), Robin Ventura (.367, 1991), Ellis Burks (.367, 1988)

Jones's .366 OBA ranks 132nd among 23 year olds.

5) Jones had a .621 OWP

Here's the top 10 for 23 year olds--

1 Ted Williams 1942 .881
2 Ty Cobb 1910 .876
3 Arky Vaughan 1935 .842
4 Joe Jackson 1913 .831
5 Mickey Mantle 1955 .826
6 Stan Musial 1944 .825
7 Reggie Jackson 1969 .820
8 Frank Thomas 1991 .801
9 Eddie Mathews 1955 .795
10 Mel Ott 1932 .779

Players who played this year who had a .621+ OWP at the age of 23--Frank Thomas (.801, 1991), Jose Canseco (.771, 1988), Ken Griffey Jr. (.765, 1993), Mark McGwire (.764, 1987), Juan Gonzalez (.755, 1993), Cal Ripken (.721, 1984), Gary Sheffield (.718, 1992), Manny Ramirez (.716, 1995), Barry Bonds (.709, 1988), Ruben Sierra (.704, 1989), Tim Raines (.698, 1983), Troy Glaus (.686, 2000), Jeff Bagwell (.676, 1991), Rickey Henderson (.662, 1982), Scott Rolen (.650, 1998), John Olerud (.641, 1992), Eric Chavez (.638, 2001), Ellis Burks (.637, 1988), Vladimir Guerrero (.636, 1999).

Jones's .621 OWP ranks 122nd among 23 year olds.

6) Jones had 24 RCAP.

Here's the top 10 for 23 year olds--
1 Ted Williams 1942 111
2 Arky Vaughan 1935 104
3 Ty Cobb 1910 90
T4 Mickey Mantle 1955 76
T4 Reggie Jackson 1969 76
6 Joe Jackson 1913 74
7 Stan Musial 1944 70
8 Willie Mays 1954 69
T9 Ken Griffey Jr. 1993 68
T9 Eddie Mathews 1955 68

Players who played this year who had 24+ RCAP as a 23 year old--Ken Griffey Jr. (68, 1993), Frank Thomas (65, 1991), Cal Ripken (63, 1984), Jose Canseco (62, 1988), Troy Glaus (57, 2000), Juan Gonzalez (55, 1993), Nomar Garciaparra (47, 1997), Gary Sheffield (46, 1992), Mark McGwire (45, 1987), Ruben Sierra (42, 1989), Manny Ramirez (41, 1995), Tim Raines (40, 1983), Eric Chavez (34, 2001), Barry Bonds (33, 1988), Scott Rolen (32, 1998), Alex Rodriguez (32, 1999), Derek Jeter (28, 1997), Rickey Henderson (27, 1982), Vladimir Guerrero (26, 1999)

Jones's 24 RCAP are tied for 99th among 23 year olds

[NetShrine]

Lee!

Any way to do career stats through age 23?

[nyy26wc]

There is.

As soon as I get done with a couple of other responses for this forum, I'll get right to work on those charts.

[nyy26wc]

Here's how Jones fares in career stats, through the age of 23.

1) Jones had 47 RCAA.

Here's the top 10, through the age of 23--

1 Ted Williams 407
2 Ty Cobb 318
3 Joe Jackson 295
4 Mel Ott 279
5 Mickey Mantle 262
6 Jimmie Foxx 230
7 Eddie Mathews 226
8 Stan Musial 216
9 Arky Vaughan 212
10 Ken Griffey Jr. 197

Players who played this year who had 47+ RCAA through the age of 23--Ken Griffey Jr. (197), Alex Rodriguez (145), Rickey Henderson (123), Frank Thomas (103), Cal Ripken (88), Jose Canseco (87), Tim Raines (87), Vladimir Guerrero (86), Juan Gonzalez (82), Scott Rolen (62), Mark McGwire (60), Albert Pujols (56 & he has 2 more years to add to that total), Barry Bonds (56).

Jones's 49 RCAA are tied for 82nd place.

2) Jones had a .838 OPS

Here are the leaders through the age of 23 (MIN--2000 PA)--

1 Ted Williams 1.122
2 Joe Jackson 1.022
3 Jimmie Foxx 1.012
4 Joe DiMaggio .994
5 Mel Ott .985
6 Stan Musial .962
7 Eddie Mathews .961
8 Lou Gehrig .948
9 Willie Mays .940
10 Vladimir Guerrero .933

Players who played this year with a .838+ OPS through the age of 23--Vladimir Guerrero (.933), Alex Rodriguez (.914), Ken Griffey Jr. (.895), Scott Rolen (.870), Juan Gonzalez (.861), Troy Glaus (.855), Cal Ripken (.845), Ben Grieve (.845).

Jones's .838 OPS ranked 49th.

3) Jones had a .494 SLG.

Here's the leaders through the age of 23 (MIN: 1000 PA)--

1 Ted Williams .642
2 Joe DiMaggio .610
3 Jimmie Foxx .591
4 Eddie Mathews .570
5 Hal Trosky .568
6 Vladimir Guerrero .567
7 Joe Jackson .566
8 Mel Ott .564
9 Willie Mays .561
10 Alex Rodriguez .551

Players who played this year who had a .494+ SLG through the age of 23--Vladimir Guerrero (.567), Alex Rodriguez (.551), Juan Gonzalez (.535), Ken Griffey Jr. (.520), Jose Canseco (.498), Troy Glaus (.497), Cal Ripken (.494), Eric Chavez (.494).

Jones's .494 SLG ranked 35th.

4) Jones had a .344 OBA.

Here's the leaders through the age of 23 (MIN: 1000 PA)--

1 Ted Williams .481
2 Joe Jackson .456
3 Charlie Keller .427
4 Stan Musial .423
5 Arky Vaughan .422
6 Jimmie Foxx .421
7 Mel Ott .421
8 Fred Snodgrass .411
9 Johnny Groth .406
10 Dick Wakefield .403

Players who played this year with a .344+ OBA through the age of 23--Rickey Henderson (.397), Jason Kendall (.382), Scott Rolen (.378), Ben Grieve (.376), Ken Griffey Jr. (.375), Tim Raines (.375), Chuck Knoblauch (.368), Derek Jeter (.368), Vladimir Guerrero (.367), John Olerud (.364), Alex Rodriguez (.363), Delino DeShields (.360), Troy Glaus (.358), Cal Ripken (.351), Robin Ventura (.346), Luis Castillo (.346), Ellis Burks (.345).

Jones's .344 OBA ranked 153rd.

5) Jones had a .558 OWP.

Here are the top 10 OWP through the age of 23 (MIN--1000 PA)--

1 Joe Jackson .836
2 Ted Williams .833
3 Stan Musial .798
4 Ty Cobb .796
5 Mickey Mantle .766
6 Eddie Mathews .753
7 Eddie Collins .743
8 Arky Vaughan .738
9 Dick Allen .737
10 Reggie Jackson .731

Here are the players who played this year who had a .558+ OWP through the age of 23--Ken Griffey Jr. (.695), Rickey Henderson (.684), Tim Raines (.655), Alex Rodriguez (.644), Vladimir Guerrero (.643), Cal Ripken (.640), Jose Canseco (.636), Juan Gonzalez (.636), Scott Rolen (.623), Barry Bonds (.611), Ben Grieve (.603), John Olerud (.597), Ellis Burks (.593), Eric Chavez (.579), Gary Sheffield (.576), Troy Glaus (.569), Jason Kendall (.569), Chuck Knoblauch (.564).

Jones's .558 OWP ranked 136th.

6) Jones had 26 RCAP.

Here are the leaders through the age of 23--

1 Ted Williams 366
2 Ty Cobb 275
3 Joe Jackson 259
4 Arky Vaughan 246
5 Mickey Mantle 237
6 Eddie Mathews 226
7 Mel Ott 221
8 Alex Rodriguez 204
9 Stan Musial 188
10 Ken Griffey Jr. 182

Players who played this year who had 26+ RCAP through the age of 23--Alex Rodriguez (204), Ken Griffey Jr. (182), Cal Ripken (129), Rickey Henderson (104), Frank Thomas (86), Tim Raines (74), Jose Canseco (73), Juan Gonzalez (72), Vladimir Guerrero (71), Eric Chavez (61), Albert Pujols (55 & has 2 years to add to that total), Troy Glaus (55), Scott Rolen (50), Gary Sheffield (49), Nomar Garciaparra (47), Derek Jeter (46), Mark McGwire (43), Manny Ramirez (41), Wil Cordero (39), Roberto Alomar (36), Barry Bonds (36), Delino DeShields (33), Ben Grieve (33), Jason Kendall (30), Edgar Renteria (29), Rafael Furcal (28 & still has 3 years to add to that total), Ellis Burks (27).

Jones's 26 RCAP are tied for 158th.



In part 3 of this series, I will take a look at Jones's 2000 OPS, SLG and OBA compared to the league average and other 23 year olds, compared to their league averages. In part 4, I'll look at players's career totals in those stats, compared to their league averages. I just haven't built that part of the encyclopedia yet.

[NetShrine]

Dude - you should hook up with the Bravos. This stuff would kill Boras at the table!

[nyy26wc]

I wouldn't make it through my first day working for a team--

Boss--Give me the player's stats.

ME--Here they are.

Boss--Where the player's average? Where's his RBI?

ME--Why don't I just compute the average distance of each player's spit. That's as useful as average.

Boss--Players have been judged by average for over a hundred years.

Me--People like you have been stupid for over a hundred years.

Boss--You're fired.

Me--Good. Working in a place with the lack of understanding of baseball statistics can only damage my reputation.

[NetShrine]

Ever hear of Eddie Epstein? I think he's had those convos.

Don't worry Lee, you're young and they are coming around. I still have hope!

[BuzzBuzzard]

I can't find the thread where we debated how much $$$ he'd get in the FA market, but the Bravos did just sign him to a 6 year extention. No mention of the cash involved. It will be interesting to see.

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
I can't find the thread where we debated how much $$$ he'd get in the FA market, but the Bravos did just sign him to a 6 year extention. No mention of the cash involved. It will be interesting to see.

Rookie!

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[Skipper Steve]

Jones and the Braves agreed Tuesday to a $75 million, six-year contract that runs through 2007.

[Duque]

The question of the day is whether we've seen the best of Andruw's potential, or whether he really is going to turn into the next Willie Mays. If he hits like he did this year, this deal is a waste. If he significantly improves, it's a bargain.

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve
Jones and the Braves agreed Tuesday to a $75 million, six-year contract that runs through 2007.

12.5 is a lot less than what you had been thinking.

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
12.5 is a lot less than what you had been thinking.

He took the bird in the hand - he didn't have the balls to go for the two in the bush. No pun intended on his sexcapes detailed in the stripper trials.