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The Whitesox get P Bartolo Colon and minor league INF Jorge Nunez from the Expos
The Expos get P Orlando Hernandez from the Yankees, OF Jeff Liefer and P Rocky Biddle from the Whitesox, along with cash The Yankees get P Antonio Osuna and minor league P Delvis Lantigua from the Whitesox. - - - Delvis Lantigua? Sounds like a rash.
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BTW - - I think the Expos got a steal in this deal - - by far.
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You must like Biddle and Liefer alot, because El Duque is at most a until the deadline move for them.
The Expos just gave up a legit #1 starter, a guy who can win 20 next season. I think they could have kept Colon and dealt him for much more at the deadline to a desperate team like Boston. |
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I have a Delvis Lantigua on my rump......
Interesting deal...Colon is traded, but not to the Yanks or Bosox! Saw it this morning on New York Times online as a rumor, then the same on Lee's ATM report, then it came through as finished! The White Sox are again taking a chance by throwing a lot of talent to get a "name" player. Colon is a fine pitcher, and can help them challenge the Twins in the Central, if he is healthy. He has been seriously overworked the last few years. The Expos pick up another capable pitcher to replace Colon in their rotation, Leifer, who goes straight into the lineup at either LF or 1B, and Biddle for the bullpen. The Yankees mostly clear away one of their 8 starters, but also get a good reliever in Osuna. |
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I'm just surprised that there was a three way deal without Oakland being involved.
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How many more games will Colon win in 2002 over Duque for the Expos? 5? Maybe seven?
Both walk after this year. So, for a handful of wins this year, the Expos get a 28 year old 1B who will give them 25 HRs in a full season, a swing man for the pen, and cash. That's why this is a good deal for them, IMHO.
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What a great job by the Yankees.
They got rid of a starting pitcher, making it that much easier to ensure that Weaver is in the rotation. They got a somewhat dependable reliever. They kept Colon away from the Red Sox. HAT TRICK! ![]() |
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Wow...you know what, I like this trade.
![]() We dealt Colon, and not to the Yankees, we got a sometimes good corner fielder who is known to hit the ball hard, and Biddle has a cool name. ![]() Selig better not be toying with Expo fans here with this presmuably good trade. |
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What next.?..Minaya ,man what could he do with some $ behind him?great great deal for expos |
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well, the sox deal away two more young pitchers for a guy who will be with them for one year, at most. I guess I support the trade, but then again I thought the todd ritchie deal was a good idea too.
biddle is a sleeper. he's been hurt a lot, but if he's healthy, he could be a real nice pitcher. i guess you have to give something to get something, though. |
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I like the trade from the three teams' perspectives.
Expos - came away with the best talent. i think Liefer will have a great year for them (nice R-L combo with Vlad and him). Yankees - get rid of a starter without paying his salary and get some value in return White Sox - now have a great one-two punch (Colon-Buehrle) that will put them in contention for the division
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I thought the Expos got hosed, but maybe not as bad as I thought. Liefer has a career .725 OPS and will be 28 this year. Seems a little late to expect greatness from him but maybe he will average ML season if he can get 500 AB's. Biddle will be 27 and looks like he might be a decent middle reliefer. El Duque should just retire.
Maybe the cash and cash savings make it worthwhile. I thought the Yanks came up roses. They got a better pitcher and relieved some of the logjam in the starting rotation.
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This has to be the best trade Kenny Williams has made in his notorious tenure as White Sox GM. Colon is a #1 pitcher, peroid. That gives the Sox 2 of the 20? legit aces in baseball. They are not Schilling and Johnson but I would put Colon and Buhrle against any other 1 2 punch in the league. In Leifer they give up a spare part really. They have never been able find ABs for. He should produce decent numbers for Mont. but he was not going to play over Thomas, Ordonez, Konerko, or Lee. With Joe Borchard waiting in the wings it was time to get what they could for him. Biddle has a decent arm and can have moderate success if given the chance to pitch but the Sox have 8 young pitchers with better arms and higher top end potential; not a big loss. Osuna is a quality reliver but again the White Sox dealt from a position of strength. They have Koch (too bad not still Foulke), Marte, Wunsch, and a host of young arms for the pen. I am not saying these players are bad but you do have to give up something for an ace and IMO they gave up the minimum.
The Expos did well to cut payroll and get some uasable part in Liefer and Biddle as well as a name starter to replace Colon. The Yankees did get a reliver they really needed and kept Colon away from the Bo Sox. It would be sweet justice if Colon could knock them out of the playoffs with the White Sox.
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If the Sox won't keep Colon, I don't believe. I expect him to be traded by midyear, unless the Sox are actually competing for the playoffs.
The Yanks dumping Hernandez is a good move. |
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I think this was a win-win-win trade. The White Sox get a sorely needed starter that will help them contend or become trade bait at the deadline. The Expos got rid of salary and got decent return. The Yankees got rid of salary and got a decent return for El Duque.
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