Power hitters in the Postseason

sweaver · 10-10-2002, 03:48 PM

Here's an interesting list, courtesy of Mike's Baseball Rants at http://mikesbballrants.blogspot.com/
It's a list of the postseason performance of all players with at least 400 career homers.

Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SF SB BB SO HBP BA OBP SLUG OPSErnie Banks (No playoff experience)Billy Williams 3 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .000 .111 .000 .111Dave Kingman 4 9 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 .111 .200 .111 .311Andre Dawson 15 59 3 11 1 1 0 3 0 2 3 16 0 .186 .226 .237 .463Sammy Sosa 3 11 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 .182 .250 .273 .523Ted Williams 7 25 2 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 5 0 .200 .333 .200 .533Darrell Evans 13 42 2 9 1 0 0 2 0 1 9 6 0 .214 .353 .238 .591Dave Winfield 26 101 11 21 6 0 2 9 0 2 15 16 0 .208 .310 .327 .637Willie Mays 25 89 12 22 5 0 1 10 0 3 10 12 0 .247 .323 .337 .660Mark McGwire 42 129 13 28 2 0 5 14 0 0 18 33 0 .217 .313 .349 .662Mike Schmidt 36 140 19 33 9 0 4 16 0 1 15 26 0 .236 .310 .386 .695Barry Bonds 32 114 17 24 5 1 4 10 1 8 21 22 0 .211 .331 .377 .708Jose Canseco 30 103 15 19 1 0 7 18 0 5 19 28 0 .184 .311 .398 .710Stan Musial 23 86 9 22 7 1 1 8 0 1 12 4 0 .256 .347 .395 .742Eddie Mathews 16 50 7 10 5 0 1 7 0 1 15 17 0 .200 .385 .360 .745Rafael Palmeiro 22 82 13 20 5 0 4 8 0 0 6 22 0 .244 .295 .451 .747Eddie Murray 44 159 21 41 3 1 9 25 0 3 27 27 0 .258 .366 .459 .825Willie Stargell 36 133 18 37 10 0 7 20 0 0 17 34 0 .278 .360 .511 .871Frank Robinson 35 126 25 30 5 1 10 19 0 0 20 32 0 .238 .342 .532 .874Cal Ripken 28 107 14 37 10 0 1 8 0 0 12 22 0 .346 .412 .467 .879Reggie Jackson 77 281 41 78 14 1 18 48 0 5 33 70 0 .278 .354 .527 .880Mel Ott 16 61 8 18 2 0 4 10 0 0 8 9 0 .295 .377 .525 .901Mickey Mantle 65 230 42 59 6 2 18 40 0 3 43 54 0 .257 .374 .535 .908Fred McGriff 50 188 36 57 10 1 10 37 0 1 27 37 0 .303 .391 .527 .917Duke Snider 36 133 21 38 8 0 11 26 0 1 13 33 0 .286 .349 .594 .943Harmon Killebrew 13 40 6 10 1 0 3 6 0 0 14 10 0 .250 .444 .500 .944Ken Griffey 15 59 11 18 2 0 6 11 0 5 7 10 0 .305 .379 .644 1.023Jimmie Foxx 18 64 11 22 3 1 4 11 0 0 9 10 0 .344 .425 .609 1.034Carl Yastrzemski 17 65 15 24 3 0 4 11 0 0 9 3 0 .369 .446 .600 1.046Juan Gonzalez 15 62 11 18 4 0 8 15 0 0 4 15 0 .290 .333 .742 1.075Willie McCovey 8 29 4 9 0 1 3 7 0 0 5 5 0 .310 .412 .690 1.101Hank Aaron 17 69 11 25 4 1 6 16 0 0 5 13 0 .362 .405 .710 1.116Lou Gehrig 34 119 30 43 8 3 10 35 0 0 26 17 0 .361 .476 .731 1.207Babe Ruth 41 129 37 42 5 2 15 33 0 4 33 30 0 .326 .463 .744 1.207Total 858 3085 483 830 145 16 176 483 1 49 460 638 0 .269 .364 .498 .861

Mike's point is, Bonds' performance in the postseason to date is not much worse than the typical 400-home run hitter.

sweaver · 10-10-2002, 03:50 PM

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KCBOOMER · 10-10-2002, 03:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweaver
Here's an interesting list, courtesy of Mike's Baseball Rants at http://mikesbballrants.blogspot.com/
It's a list of the postseason performance of all players with at least 400 career homers.

Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SF SB BB SO HBP BA OBP SLUG OPS
Ernie Banks (No playoff experience)
Billy Williams 3 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .000 .111 .000 .111
Dave Kingman 4 9 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 .111 .200 .111 .311
Andre Dawson 15 59 3 11 1 1 0 3 0 2 3 16 0 .186 .226 .237 .463
Sammy Sosa 3 11 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 .182 .250 .273 .523
Ted Williams 7 25 2 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 5 0 .200 .333 .200 .533
Darrell Evans 13 42 2 9 1 0 0 2 0 1 9 6 0 .214 .353 .238 .591
Dave Winfield 26 101 11 21 6 0 2 9 0 2 15 16 0 .208 .310 .327 .637
Willie Mays 25 89 12 22 5 0 1 10 0 3 10 12 0 .247 .323 .337 .660
Mark McGwire 42 129 13 28 2 0 5 14 0 0 18 33 0 .217 .313 .349 .662
Mike Schmidt 36 140 19 33 9 0 4 16 0 1 15 26 0 .236 .310 .386 .695
Barry Bonds 32 114 17 24 5 1 4 10 1 8 21 22 0 .211 .331 .377 .708
Jose Canseco 30 103 15 19 1 0 7 18 0 5 19 28 0 .184 .311 .398 .710
Stan Musial 23 86 9 22 7 1 1 8 0 1 12 4 0 .256 .347 .395 .742
Eddie Mathews 16 50 7 10 5 0 1 7 0 1 15 17 0 .200 .385 .360 .745
Rafael Palmeiro 22 82 13 20 5 0 4 8 0 0 6 22 0 .244 .295 .451 .747
Eddie Murray 44 159 21 41 3 1 9 25 0 3 27 27 0 .258 .366 .459 .825
Willie Stargell 36 133 18 37 10 0 7 20 0 0 17 34 0 .278 .360 .511 .871
Frank Robinson 35 126 25 30 5 1 10 19 0 0 20 32 0 .238 .342 .532 .874
Cal Ripken 28 107 14 37 10 0 1 8 0 0 12 22 0 .346 .412 .467 .879
Reggie Jackson 77 281 41 78 14 1 18 48 0 5 33 70 0 .278 .354 .527 .880
Mel Ott 16 61 8 18 2 0 4 10 0 0 8 9 0 .295 .377 .525 .901
Mickey Mantle 65 230 42 59 6 2 18 40 0 3 43 54 0 .257 .374 .535 .908
Fred McGriff 50 188 36 57 10 1 10 37 0 1 27 37 0 .303 .391 .527 .917
Duke Snider 36 133 21 38 8 0 11 26 0 1 13 33 0 .286 .349 .594 .943
Harmon Killebrew 13 40 6 10 1 0 3 6 0 0 14 10 0 .250 .444 .500 .944
Ken Griffey 15 59 11 18 2 0 6 11 0 5 7 10 0 .305 .379 .644 1.023
Jimmie Foxx 18 64 11 22 3 1 4 11 0 0 9 10 0 .344 .425 .609 1.034
Carl Yastrzemski 17 65 15 24 3 0 4 11 0 0 9 3 0 .369 .446 .600 1.046
Juan Gonzalez 15 62 11 18 4 0 8 15 0 0 4 15 0 .290 .333 .742 1.075
Willie McCovey 8 29 4 9 0 1 3 7 0 0 5 5 0 .310 .412 .690 1.101
Hank Aaron 17 69 11 25 4 1 6 16 0 0 5 13 0 .362 .405 .710 1.116
Lou Gehrig 34 119 30 43 8 3 10 35 0 0 26 17 0 .361 .476 .731 1.207
Babe Ruth 41 129 37 42 5 2 15 33 0 4 33 30 0 .326 .463 .744 1.207
Total 858 3085 483 830 145 16 176 483 1 49 460 638 0 .269 .364 .498 .861

Mike's point is, Bonds' performance in the postseason to date is not much worse than the typical 400-home run hitter.

Well if Mike thinks a .708 OPS is just "a little worse" than an .861 OPS for the group he needs to study up some more.

TimmyB · 10-10-2002, 04:09 PM

Barry is still a love him or hate him kind of guy. Much like Williams, the media (and there are a lot of them who fall in the "hate him" camp) can make a story out of a line of stats.

Yes, some guys rise to the occassion in the post-season (and isn't it funny that "Mr. October" is 14th on this list from the top), and some struggle.

It's the same reason why Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle shouldn't make plans for induction at Cooperstown, but can still enjoy their rings.

pwdennis · 10-10-2002, 04:24 PM

I think that for purposes of this table we should leave off players that did not get at least 50 plate appearences

Billy Williams only got into a few games at the tail end of career.

Ted Williams got into only one post season and had suffered a wrist injury just prior to the series so that he was way below par physically

Remember Bob "Hurricane" Hazel if you need a reminder of how statistically significant (or insignificant) data based on small sample sizes can be. Gene Tenace for the HOF anyone ?

gyb13 · 10-10-2002, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pwdennis
think that for purposes off this table we should leave off players that did not get at least 50 plate appearences

actually, they should be left on, so that we have more observations in calculating the aggregate. leaving everyone in gives us over 3000 ABs, a sizeable amount by which one can say that Barry has been over 150 points of OPS below the group.

sweaver · 10-10-2002, 04:32 PM

Barry is about on a level with Mays, McGwire and Schmidt. Anybody give them any hassle about their postseason failings lately?

TimmyB · 10-10-2002, 04:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sweaver
Barry is about on a level with Mays, McGwire and Schmidt. Anybody give them any hassle about their postseason failings lately?

Mays, Mac and Schmidt all grabbed the brass ring. If Bonds hits .250 for this post-season but wins the whole shooting match, this will go away.

VNV Nation · 10-10-2002, 04:47 PM

i did

SmedIndy · 10-10-2002, 05:07 PM

You did what? Split the atom? Constructed a box girder bridge? What?

calexpat · 10-10-2002, 05:18 PM

Looks like this Mike guy has done the first half of a study to test what VNV et al were talking about last week, ie, whether power/walks guys do worse than doubles/triples guys in the postseason.

At a glance, the .861 OPS figure for 400 HR guys seems to disconfirm VNV's idea. .861 looks about the same as those guys' regular season performance.

VNV Nation · 10-10-2002, 07:13 PM

those weren't the droids i was looking for though

SmedIndy · 10-10-2002, 11:37 PM

VNV -

Whatever point you were attempted to make in the other thread was obfuscated by your cryptic pronouncements....and with this data I don't think you've really made any point whatsoever that could be discerned by mortal human beings.

(i.e. I'm damn confused on what you're trying to say at all.)

JamesI · 10-10-2002, 11:45 PM

This is off topic to Barry compared to the others, but I had to comment that I'm surprised to see Ripken above average in OPS for this group. I don't recall his post season performances that well.

JamesI · 10-10-2002, 11:47 PM

I think the main problem Barry has in perception of his post season performance was that his team never one a series until now. He could whiff every at bat the rest of the postseason and still have this stigma removed from him if the Giants will it all.

10-10-2002, 03:48 PM	#1
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Power hitters in the Postseason Here's an interesting list, courtesy of Mike's Baseball Rants at http://mikesbballrants.blogspot.com/ It's a list of the postseason performance of all players with at least 400 career homers. Name G AB R H 2B 3B HR RBI SF SB BB SO HBP BA OBP SLUG OPSErnie Banks (No playoff experience)Billy Williams 3 8 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 0 .000 .111 .000 .111Dave Kingman 4 9 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 0 .111 .200 .111 .311Andre Dawson 15 59 3 11 1 1 0 3 0 2 3 16 0 .186 .226 .237 .463Sammy Sosa 3 11 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 4 1 0 0 .182 .250 .273 .523Ted Williams 7 25 2 5 0 0 0 1 0 0 5 5 0 .200 .333 .200 .533Darrell Evans 13 42 2 9 1 0 0 2 0 1 9 6 0 .214 .353 .238 .591Dave Winfield 26 101 11 21 6 0 2 9 0 2 15 16 0 .208 .310 .327 .637Willie Mays 25 89 12 22 5 0 1 10 0 3 10 12 0 .247 .323 .337 .660Mark McGwire 42 129 13 28 2 0 5 14 0 0 18 33 0 .217 .313 .349 .662Mike Schmidt 36 140 19 33 9 0 4 16 0 1 15 26 0 .236 .310 .386 .695Barry Bonds 32 114 17 24 5 1 4 10 1 8 21 22 0 .211 .331 .377 .708Jose Canseco 30 103 15 19 1 0 7 18 0 5 19 28 0 .184 .311 .398 .710Stan Musial 23 86 9 22 7 1 1 8 0 1 12 4 0 .256 .347 .395 .742Eddie Mathews 16 50 7 10 5 0 1 7 0 1 15 17 0 .200 .385 .360 .745Rafael Palmeiro 22 82 13 20 5 0 4 8 0 0 6 22 0 .244 .295 .451 .747Eddie Murray 44 159 21 41 3 1 9 25 0 3 27 27 0 .258 .366 .459 .825Willie Stargell 36 133 18 37 10 0 7 20 0 0 17 34 0 .278 .360 .511 .871Frank Robinson 35 126 25 30 5 1 10 19 0 0 20 32 0 .238 .342 .532 .874Cal Ripken 28 107 14 37 10 0 1 8 0 0 12 22 0 .346 .412 .467 .879Reggie Jackson 77 281 41 78 14 1 18 48 0 5 33 70 0 .278 .354 .527 .880Mel Ott 16 61 8 18 2 0 4 10 0 0 8 9 0 .295 .377 .525 .901Mickey Mantle 65 230 42 59 6 2 18 40 0 3 43 54 0 .257 .374 .535 .908Fred McGriff 50 188 36 57 10 1 10 37 0 1 27 37 0 .303 .391 .527 .917Duke Snider 36 133 21 38 8 0 11 26 0 1 13 33 0 .286 .349 .594 .943Harmon Killebrew 13 40 6 10 1 0 3 6 0 0 14 10 0 .250 .444 .500 .944Ken Griffey 15 59 11 18 2 0 6 11 0 5 7 10 0 .305 .379 .644 1.023Jimmie Foxx 18 64 11 22 3 1 4 11 0 0 9 10 0 .344 .425 .609 1.034Carl Yastrzemski 17 65 15 24 3 0 4 11 0 0 9 3 0 .369 .446 .600 1.046Juan Gonzalez 15 62 11 18 4 0 8 15 0 0 4 15 0 .290 .333 .742 1.075Willie McCovey 8 29 4 9 0 1 3 7 0 0 5 5 0 .310 .412 .690 1.101Hank Aaron 17 69 11 25 4 1 6 16 0 0 5 13 0 .362 .405 .710 1.116Lou Gehrig 34 119 30 43 8 3 10 35 0 0 26 17 0 .361 .476 .731 1.207Babe Ruth 41 129 37 42 5 2 15 33 0 4 33 30 0 .326 .463 .744 1.207Total 858 3085 483 830 145 16 176 483 1 49 460 638 0 .269 .364 .498 .861 Mike's point is, Bonds' performance in the postseason to date is not much worse than the typical 400-home run hitter.

10-10-2002, 04:24 PM	#5
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	I think that for purposes of this table we should leave off players that did not get at least 50 plate appearences Billy Williams only got into a few games at the tail end of career. Ted Williams got into only one post season and had suffered a wrist injury just prior to the series so that he was way below par physically Remember Bob "Hurricane" Hazel if you need a reminder of how statistically significant (or insignificant) data based on small sample sizes can be. Gene Tenace for the HOF anyone ? __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears Last edited by pwdennis : 10-10-2002 at 04:32 PM.

10-10-2002, 11:37 PM	#13
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	VNV - Whatever point you were attempted to make in the other thread was obfuscated by your cryptic pronouncements....and with this data I don't think you've really made any point whatsoever that could be discerned by mortal human beings. (i.e. I'm damn confused on what you're trying to say at all.) Last edited by SmedIndy : 10-10-2002 at 11:43 PM.

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10-10-2002, 03:50 PM	#2
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Sorry, the list didn't transfer well. To see the READABLE version, click on the site.

10-10-2002, 04:09 PM	#4
TimmyB NetShrine's Magic 8-Ball Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Where the cops speak slow and the air is nice Posts: 2,591	Barry is still a love him or hate him kind of guy. Much like Williams, the media (and there are a lot of them who fall in the "hate him" camp) can make a story out of a line of stats. Yes, some guys rise to the occassion in the post-season (and isn't it funny that "Mr. October" is 14th on this list from the top), and some struggle. It's the same reason why Bucky Dent and Brian Doyle shouldn't make plans for induction at Cooperstown, but can still enjoy their rings.

10-10-2002, 04:32 PM	#7
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	Barry is about on a level with Mays, McGwire and Schmidt. Anybody give them any hassle about their postseason failings lately?

10-10-2002, 04:47 PM	#9
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	i did

10-10-2002, 05:07 PM	#10
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	You did what? Split the atom? Constructed a box girder bridge? What?

10-10-2002, 05:18 PM	#11
calexpat All-NetShrine Team Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 448	Looks like this Mike guy has done the first half of a study to test what VNV et al were talking about last week, ie, whether power/walks guys do worse than doubles/triples guys in the postseason. At a glance, the .861 OPS figure for 400 HR guys seems to disconfirm VNV's idea. .861 looks about the same as those guys' regular season performance.

10-10-2002, 07:13 PM	#12
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	those weren't the droids i was looking for though

10-10-2002, 11:45 PM	#14
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	This is off topic to Barry compared to the others, but I had to comment that I'm surprised to see Ripken above average in OPS for this group. I don't recall his post season performances that well.

10-10-2002, 11:47 PM	#15
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I think the main problem Barry has in perception of his post season performance was that his team never one a series until now. He could whiff every at bat the rest of the postseason and still have this stigma removed from him if the Giants will it all.

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