Jose Hernandez Sitting

Duque · 09-21-2002, 02:24 PM

After K'ing twice on September 18th, Jose Hernandez has been sitting on the bench for the past two games - just 1 K away of tying Bobby Bonds's record.

The Brewers are currently playing the Giants. If you are the Dodgers, are you not just a little teed off that your rival for the Wildcard is facing a team that is deliberately fielding an inferior lineup? (as opposed to the inferior lineup the Brewers usually field)

tortured angel · 09-21-2002, 02:29 PM

Yeah, I'd be ticked, but there's always next year. For the Dodgers and Jose.

VNV Nation · 09-21-2002, 03:59 PM

this is just silly, and annoying. just like losing 20 games, you have to be a heck of a player to hold the strikeout record.

Max Power · 09-21-2002, 06:48 PM

The guy whiffs in over a third of his ABs.

Just think, if in half of those 188 Ks, if he tried to bunt for a basehit, and, in one-third of those 90-something tries, he got a hit, his batting average would be close to .340.

Good player - bad approach to the game.

Weak to sit it out, IMHO.

VNV Nation · 09-21-2002, 06:56 PM

realistically it doesn't work that way though. if he bunted 90 times a year he's also cutting into his hits, walks and homers, not just his Ks.

Max Power · 09-21-2002, 10:00 PM

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Originally posted by VNV Nation
realistically it doesn't work that way though. if he bunted 90 times a year he's also cutting into his hits, walks and homers, not just his Ks.

Not if he did what I said - - - tried bunting in half of those PAs in which he actually whiffed...........not bunt in those PAs where he did somethig positive.........

JamesI · 09-21-2002, 10:03 PM

Why hold someone out now? What's the point. He strikes out a lot, but if he's one of their better players let him play. Who cares if he gets the record. (Bonds probably wants him to take it)

sweaver · 09-21-2002, 11:35 PM

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Originally posted by Max Power
Not if he did what I said - - - tried bunting in half of those PAs in which he actually whiffed...........not bunt in those PAs where he did somethig positive.........

And how do you pick the right ones in advance, pray tell? Besides the ones where Unit is pitching, that is.

VNV Nation · 09-21-2002, 11:50 PM

Right, they're only strikeouts after the fact.

SmedIndy · 09-22-2002, 05:53 AM

Let him play! Let him play!

Fatwater Fewl · 09-22-2002, 08:47 AM

Royster's stated reason for sitting Hernandez was that he wanted to save him the humiliation of breaking the K record in front of the home fans -- pretty flimsy excuse for interfering in a playoff race, which, as Duque pointed out, was the result of Royster's misguided compassion.

Are we never safe from from people trying to protect us from ourselves? I need a smoke.

hmrsf · 09-22-2002, 09:02 AM

Sitting is not cool. Halting a double to make a single so you get the cycle is not cool.

I like it when the records just happen.

Ytown Tribe fan · 09-22-2002, 10:21 AM

I hope he gets it for two reasons:

1) he would be immortalized as a fitting symbol of the type of hitter's era we're currently in; and

2) he's not half the player that Bobby Bonds was. Hernandez DESERVES the K record more.

JamesI · 09-22-2002, 11:55 AM

I've always wondered if Bobby Bonds hall of fame chances were hurt by this record. Having someone else take it may help him with the new Veterans Committee.

SmedIndy · 09-22-2002, 10:37 PM

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Originally posted by Ytown Tribe fan
I hope he gets it for two reasons:

1) he would be immortalized as a fitting symbol of the type of hitter's era we're currently in; and

2) he's not half the player that Bobby Bonds was. Hernandez DESERVES the K record more.

No one DESERVES a negative record. Did you DESERVE any bad grade you received in school?

He's not an awful player, and while it would demonstrate the era we are currently in, it would be probably be looked upon like the triples record, a quaint byproduct of another era.

That is, until the ghost of Gary Alexander past gets 650 plate appearances...

09-21-2002, 02:24 PM	#1
Duque NetShrine's Desperado Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Southern CA Posts: 2,638	Jose Hernandez Sitting After K'ing twice on September 18th, Jose Hernandez has been sitting on the bench for the past two games - just 1 K away of tying Bobby Bonds's record. The Brewers are currently playing the Giants. If you are the Dodgers, are you not just a little teed off that your rival for the Wildcard is facing a team that is deliberately fielding an inferior lineup? (as opposed to the inferior lineup the Brewers usually field) __________________ Bad Andy It's such a fine line between stupid and clever.

09-21-2002, 06:48 PM	#4
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	The guy whiffs in over a third of his ABs. Just think, if in half of those 188 Ks, if he tried to bunt for a basehit, and, in one-third of those 90-something tries, he got a hit, his batting average would be close to .340. Good player - bad approach to the game. Weak to sit it out, IMHO. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

09-22-2002, 09:02 AM	#12
hmrsf forum mom Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: relocation Posts: 4,298	Sitting is not cool. Halting a double to make a single so you get the cycle is not cool. I like it when the records just happen. __________________ NDF who shares good karma! Get a coaster! My cup is not only 1/2 full it is brimming! We don't need no stinking Arods!

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09-21-2002, 02:29 PM	#2
tortured angel Guest Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: middle east Posts: 573	Yeah, I'd be ticked, but there's always next year. For the Dodgers and Jose.

09-21-2002, 03:59 PM	#3
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	this is just silly, and annoying. just like losing 20 games, you have to be a heck of a player to hold the strikeout record.

09-21-2002, 06:56 PM	#5
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	realistically it doesn't work that way though. if he bunted 90 times a year he's also cutting into his hits, walks and homers, not just his Ks.

09-21-2002, 10:03 PM	#7
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	Why hold someone out now? What's the point. He strikes out a lot, but if he's one of their better players let him play. Who cares if he gets the record. (Bonds probably wants him to take it)

09-21-2002, 11:50 PM	#9
VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	Right, they're only strikeouts after the fact.

09-22-2002, 05:53 AM	#10
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	Let him play! Let him play!

09-22-2002, 08:47 AM	#11
Fatwater Fewl NetShrine MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlottetown, PEI Posts: 261	Royster's stated reason for sitting Hernandez was that he wanted to save him the humiliation of breaking the K record in front of the home fans -- pretty flimsy excuse for interfering in a playoff race, which, as Duque pointed out, was the result of Royster's misguided compassion. Are we never safe from from people trying to protect us from ourselves? I need a smoke.

09-22-2002, 10:21 AM	#13
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	I hope he gets it for two reasons: 1) he would be immortalized as a fitting symbol of the type of hitter's era we're currently in; and 2) he's not half the player that Bobby Bonds was. Hernandez DESERVES the K record more.

09-22-2002, 11:55 AM	#14
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I've always wondered if Bobby Bonds hall of fame chances were hurt by this record. Having someone else take it may help him with the new Veterans Committee.

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