Who is the greatest Pirate catcher of all time?

Fuzzy Bear · 09-12-2002, 07:02 PM

I wonder if the Pirates have the closest battle of any team for the greatest at any position as they have at catcher. I can't decide, so I'm putting it to a vote.

poorme · 09-12-2002, 07:46 PM

Overall, burgess.

for a 2 year span, pena

VNV Nation · 09-12-2002, 07:47 PM

What no Bill Salkeld?

rc3000 · 09-12-2002, 07:54 PM

Voted for Manny Sanguillen with my early to mid seventies Pirates Bias.

Max Power · 09-12-2002, 09:00 PM

Jason Kendall for me..............

SmedIndy · 09-12-2002, 09:33 PM

RUNS CREATED/GAME RC/G
1 Jason Kendall 6.56
2 Doggie Miller 5.69
3 Don Slaught 5.64
4 Smoky Burgess 5.60
5 Mike LaValliere 4.64
6 Johnny Gooch 4.64
7 Jim Pagliaroni 4.60
8 Manny Sanguillen 4.57
9 Tony Pena 4.36
10 Ed Ott 4.17

SmedIndy · 09-12-2002, 09:35 PM

PS - Doggie Miller was a Alleghenys / Pirates catcher from 1884 to 1893.

Fred Carroll was his contemporary, but had a much shorter career. Carroll had a quite impressive 1889 season.

pwdennis · 09-12-2002, 11:48 PM

Jason Kendall

I liked Smoky Burgess but there is a reason he made his reputation as a great pinch hitter

LeGrandOrange · 09-13-2002, 02:41 AM

I want Sanguillen off the bench, but it's Kendall all the way. Besides, speed is cool. No offense to Tony Pena.

pathogan · 09-13-2002, 07:26 AM

simply I loooooooved those pirate teams,precursors of the present era loaded with power hitters...Manny was a piece of work

poorme · 09-13-2002, 10:03 AM

upon further review, I say Kendall. He was excellent for about a five year stretch. the current version isn't so hot though.

KCBOOMER · 09-13-2002, 10:07 AM

Smoky!!!!!

RichG · 09-13-2002, 12:05 PM

I voted for Sanguillen. Sadly, this franchise's other best catcher might have been Al Lopez at the end of his career during WW2.

sweaver · 09-13-2002, 01:52 PM

The reason this is such a difficult question is that the Pirates have never had a truly great catcher. My current answer would be Sanguillen, but will probably be Kendall in a couple of years.

Fuzzy Bear · 09-14-2002, 12:39 PM

I am voting for Sanguillen, because, without Bench, he may have been the best catcher in the NL for a couple of years. He was often rated second to Bench, although Ted Simmons was really #2.

Sad to say, I think Kendall has peaked, and will not become the player I thought he would become. But that appears to be the Pirate catching tradition; bright promise, early peak, sudden decline.

View Poll Results: Who is the greatest Pirate catcher of all time?
Tony Pena	1	4.35%
Smoky Burgess	3	13.04%
Jim Pagliaroni	0	0%
Manny Sanguillen	12	52.17%
Jason Kendall	6	26.09%
Spanky LaValliere	0	0%
Don Slaught	0	0%
LaValliere/Slaught platoon	0	0%
other	1	4.35%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

09-12-2002, 07:02 PM	#1
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	Who is the greatest Pirate catcher of all time? I wonder if the Pirates have the closest battle of any team for the greatest at any position as they have at catcher. I can't decide, so I'm putting it to a vote.

09-12-2002, 09:00 PM	#5
Max Power NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: May 2002 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 5,548	Jason Kendall for me.............. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator "They come and they go, Hobbs. They come and they go." That's why there's NetShrine.com

09-12-2002, 11:48 PM	#8
pwdennis NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Winter Springs, FL Posts: 2,503	Jason Kendall I liked Smoky Burgess but there is a reason he made his reputation as a great pinch hitter __________________ "I would submit that if the world survives for a million years, perhaps its finest hour may be that in the last half of the 20th century, when the power to blow up the world rested in the hands of a few men in two very unsophisticated and suspicious countries, we didn't do it, and one American, Richard Nixon, moved the cold war away from permanent confrontation toward victory. How could any wrong that he did compare with that?" - John Sears

09-13-2002, 07:26 AM	#10
pathogan william Blake's Innkeeper Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Brooklyn Posts: 2,828	Manny, then Kendall simply I loooooooved those pirate teams,precursors of the present era loaded with power hitters...Manny was a piece of work

09-12-2002, 07:46 PM	#2
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	Overall, burgess. for a 2 year span, pena

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VNV Nation Membership Suspended 11/19/02 Join Date: May 2002 Location: VNV Nation Posts: 2,952	What no Bill Salkeld?

09-12-2002, 07:54 PM	#4
rc3000 Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 543	Voted for Manny Sanguillen with my early to mid seventies Pirates Bias.

09-12-2002, 09:33 PM	#6
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	RUNS CREATED/GAME RC/G 1 Jason Kendall 6.56 2 Doggie Miller 5.69 3 Don Slaught 5.64 4 Smoky Burgess 5.60 5 Mike LaValliere 4.64 6 Johnny Gooch 4.64 7 Jim Pagliaroni 4.60 8 Manny Sanguillen 4.57 9 Tony Pena 4.36 10 Ed Ott 4.17

09-12-2002, 09:35 PM	#7
SmedIndy NetShrine's Historian Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Zionsville, IN Posts: 10,569	PS - Doggie Miller was a Alleghenys / Pirates catcher from 1884 to 1893. Fred Carroll was his contemporary, but had a much shorter career. Carroll had a quite impressive 1889 season.

09-13-2002, 02:41 AM	#9
LeGrandOrange Membership Suspended 4/11/04 Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Tacoma, WA Posts: 3,783	I want Sanguillen off the bench, but it's Kendall all the way. Besides, speed is cool. No offense to Tony Pena.

09-13-2002, 10:03 AM	#11
poorme Guest Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: washington dc Posts: 2,625	upon further review, I say Kendall. He was excellent for about a five year stretch. the current version isn't so hot though.

09-13-2002, 10:07 AM	#12
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Smoky!!!!! __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-13-2002, 12:05 PM	#13
RichG Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 569	I voted for Sanguillen. Sadly, this franchise's other best catcher might have been Al Lopez at the end of his career during WW2.

09-13-2002, 01:52 PM	#14
sweaver Netshrine Cleanup Hitter Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The Mountain State Posts: 8,883	The reason this is such a difficult question is that the Pirates have never had a truly great catcher. My current answer would be Sanguillen, but will probably be Kendall in a couple of years.

09-14-2002, 12:39 PM	#15
Fuzzy Bear NetShrine's Evangelist Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Living by faith, and not by sight! Posts: 2,194	I am voting for Sanguillen, because, without Bench, he may have been the best catcher in the NL for a couple of years. He was often rated second to Bench, although Ted Simmons was really #2. Sad to say, I think Kendall has peaked, and will not become the player I thought he would become. But that appears to be the Pirate catching tradition; bright promise, early peak, sudden decline.

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