Ronald Edward Santo

Crash Course · 09-14-2006, 12:04 PM

He played in the major leagues from 1960 to 1974.

nyy26wc · 09-14-2006, 12:25 PM

Yes

popular choice for the Hall of Fame, so that all by itself is enough

4 years with 100 RBI
342 HR
4 years with 30 HR
9 time all star
got MVP votes 7 times
5 gold gloves
3 times in the top 10 in batting average

Crash Course · 09-14-2006, 01:34 PM

Lee - you giving up on sabermetric stats?

nyy26wc · 09-14-2006, 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Crash Course

Lee - you giving up on sabermetric stats?

Actually, I'm giving a lot of consideration to it.

I've been thinking that it's time to accept the fact that the ATM reports can get a lot more subscribers if I give the public what they want. If it's a batting average is what matters, wins is the only worthwhile pitching stat, wild card is good, etc. world, and, if I'm in the baseball business, then I've got to accept that.

If I can get a whole bunch of new readers, that's a new potential customer base for the encyclopedia.

Millions of Americans hate their jobs. A case can be made that I'm being immature and childish by thinking that I should not bound by that.

If I do make the transition with the ATM reports, I will at least finish out the season and the current offseason with them at their current way and then introduce the new and unimproved, awful version at the start of the 2007 season.

I hope you don't mind me using NDF as an experimental forum to see how much I hate this and see whether I can stand the rejection of everything I've written for years.

As of now, the experiment looks like it's not going to be able to continue. We're less than 2 hours into it and I'm already completely hating it.

There's also the fact that my reputation is already so solid the way it is that it could be too late in the game to repudiate it. And at least that could provide me with a good rationale to retain the status quo. Or, I could go with the rationale that it's better to be childish and immature than hating what you do.

KCBOOMER · 09-14-2006, 02:36 PM

Santo was an excellent 3B and a fine hitter in an era that was tough on hitters. Still broadcasts games for his club. Unfortunately has personality that rubs people the wrong. He's pretty quick to point out other players failing, but slow to recognize his.

Amongst those that have been on an HoF ballot he is one of the the two or three most deserving of HoF selection.

Keven · 09-14-2006, 02:58 PM

Lee,

Don't go back to the dark side........................and include more sarcasm in the reports, like you used to.

KK

rc3000 · 09-14-2006, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nyy26wc

I hope you don't mind me using NDF as an experimental forum to see how much I hate this and see whether I can stand the rejection of everything I've written for years.

How different is the Hall of Fame you come up with if you use RCAA then the players that have already been elected by the Baseball Writers? I know you don't work to amuse me but I am just wondering...

mainsr · 09-15-2006, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by nyy26wc

Millions of Americans hate their jobs.

Actually, all the surveys I've seen indicate that the vast majority of Americans are happy with their jobs. Given the size of the country, that probably still means there are millions who are unhappy, but they are pretty rare, fortunately.

Ron Santo was not one of them. Bill James rates him as the sixth-best 3B of all time (after Schmidt, Brett, Mathews, Boggs, and Baker), which sounds about right. He was part of the most durable 3-4 combo since WWII (Williams third, Santo cleanup), an ebullient if erratic radio announcer, and despite serious health problems (I didn't realize he'd had both his legs amputated), an upbeat guy who has done a great deal on behalf of juvenile diabetes. No hesitation in voting yes.

captain_napalm · 09-15-2006, 02:56 PM

As much as he means to the Cubs organization, I'd have to say yes.

Nuclear Dish · 09-18-2006, 09:41 AM

I'll go with Yes on this one. There just aren't that many top notch 3B in baseball history, but Santo is one of them. He was a very good hitter in a difficult era, a very good fielder at a difficult position, and a well-respected player. This was a no-brainer for me.

crazydiamond · 09-21-2006, 03:38 PM

253 career RCAA
272 RCAA for the Cubs, 11th best all-time
269 RCAA from 1963-1969, 9th best in that stretch

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09-14-2006, 12:04 PM	#1
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Ronald Edward Santo He played in the major leagues from 1960 to 1974. __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

09-14-2006, 12:25 PM	#2
nyy26wc NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: NJ Posts: 14,584	Yes popular choice for the Hall of Fame, so that all by itself is enough 4 years with 100 RBI 342 HR 4 years with 30 HR 9 time all star got MVP votes 7 times 5 gold gloves 3 times in the top 10 in batting average __________________ Lee Creator, Complete Baseball Encyclopedia. It's powerful, yet extremely easy to use. Features extensive sorting and stat display options. The CBE has many features that are not available in online and printed sources. Has 2006 stats and daily update service for 2007.

09-14-2006, 01:34 PM	#3
Crash Course NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 10,070	Lee - you giving up on sabermetric stats? __________________ Steve, Forum Admin Hit Grass, Win Salad Man, this is baseball. You gotta stop thinking. Just have fun. - Benny "The Jet" Rodriguez, in The Sandlot I've been going to games since August 8, 1973....and on August 22, 2004, finally, a foul ball came my way. I had to reach for it, and it deflected off the tip of my right index finger. Shoot, if I was only 4 inches taller! Have you read The Baseball Same Game?

09-14-2006, 02:36 PM	#5
KCBOOMER NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Home of the T-Bones Posts: 11,116	Santo was an excellent 3B and a fine hitter in an era that was tough on hitters. Still broadcasts games for his club. Unfortunately has personality that rubs people the wrong. He's pretty quick to point out other players failing, but slow to recognize his. Amongst those that have been on an HoF ballot he is one of the the two or three most deserving of HoF selection. __________________ KCBOOMER *Buck O'Neil: The Monarch of Baseball*

09-14-2006, 02:58 PM	#6
Keven NetShrine Hot Prospect Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Minnesota Posts: 26	Lee, Don't go back to the dark side........................and include more sarcasm in the reports, like you used to. KK __________________ 24 cans in a case, 24 hours in a day. You do the math!

09-15-2006, 02:56 PM	#9
captain_napalm NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ny Posts: 1,611	As much as he means to the Cubs organization, I'd have to say yes. __________________ "Cheating is baseball's oldest profession. No other game is so rich in skullduggery, so suited to it or so proud of it." - Thomas Boswell

09-18-2006, 09:41 AM	#10
Nuclear Dish NetShrine All-Star Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Toronto Posts: 114	I'll go with Yes on this one. There just aren't that many top notch 3B in baseball history, but Santo is one of them. He was a very good hitter in a difficult era, a very good fielder at a difficult position, and a well-respected player. This was a no-brainer for me. __________________ "Sure I botched that sacrifice bunt. But look at it this way. I'm a better bunter than a million chinese guys. Those poor suckers can't bunt at all." - John Lowenstein.

09-21-2006, 03:38 PM	#11
crazydiamond Inducted Into The NetShrine Assembly of Fame Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Walnut Creek, CA Posts: 935	253 career RCAA 272 RCAA for the Cubs, 11th best all-time 269 RCAA from 1963-1969, 9th best in that stretch

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