In Need Of A Strikeout

Wolf Hopper · 01-18-2004, 12:49 PM

Of all the pitchers in history (since 1900) with 500+ career Ks above the league average, only four pitchers have a "Ks above average/IP" ratio above .4

They are:

Randy Johnson
Nolan Ryan
Pedro Martinez
Sandy Koufax

If you were managing a game, and needed a strikeout, and could choose one of these four to come into the game for you, who would you chose and why?

TGwynn19 · 01-18-2004, 12:53 PM

I picked the Unit. He is simply scary on the mound.

Oxonian95 · 01-18-2004, 01:00 PM

We don't know if the batter is right or lefty, which would make a difference. Without that knowledge, and without any remembrance of Koufax, because I'm too young, I'd pick Pedro for one strikeout. Johnson and Ryan are/were not always dominant in early innings, or at least not as dominant as Pedro at the beginning of a game (probably due to the world's greatest changeup). One strikeout with a fresh pitcher? I want Pedro.

Ytown Tribe fan · 01-18-2004, 01:03 PM

Of those on the list, I chose Unit, but if I could have ANY pitcher for just one K, I'd take Rob Dibble any day.

CCLIB · 01-18-2004, 01:21 PM

Due to the fact that Koufax was one of the best money pitchers in the history of the game, he's my top choice.

Nothing against the others, but I couldn't pass him up.

RFS62 · 01-18-2004, 01:30 PM

I've seen them all, and Koufax gets my vote.

Not a slight to any of the others, but Sandy is the gold standard in my book.

JamesI · 01-18-2004, 01:47 PM

I'll take Pedro, but if the batter is a lefty, I might chose to switch to Koufax.

hmrsf · 01-18-2004, 02:35 PM

I would choose 1999 model Pedro. That is just plain nasty. Another not on the list is a Tim Wakefield knuckle ball. When it is on, it is the best stike out pitch in the game.

YankeeLinks · 01-22-2004, 08:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RFS62

I've seen them all, and Koufax gets my vote.

Not a slight to any of the others, but Sandy is the gold standard in my book.

My sentiments exactly.

I'm assuming we're considering each pitcher at his peak. Because of his slow start, among the four choices, Sandy's career stats probably have the greatest difference from his peak years. For his last four years, from '63-'66(age 27-30), he was untouchable. And of course, his stats were much better during those years, too. For example, his peak K/BB ratio was 3.97 vs. 2.93 for his career.

captain_napalm · 01-18-2004, 02:38 PM

I'd have to say Pedro. A master of 4 different pitches.

Wolf Hopper · 01-18-2004, 03:02 PM

The career numbers say to take Unit. The "peak" season numbers say to take Pedro in 1999. But, for me, I'm taking Ryan - he threw the hardest out of these four. And, for just one K, I want a guy who can pump gas like the Express did in his prime.

Oracle · 01-18-2004, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wolf Hopper

Of all the pitchers in history (since 1900) with 500+ career Ks above the league average, only four pitchers have a "Ks above average/IP" ratio above .4

They are:

Randy Johnson
Nolan Ryan
Pedro Martinez
Sandy Koufax

If you were managing a game, and needed a strikeout, and could choose one of these four to come into the game for you, who would you chose and why?

I would need to do some research. I would want to know more about how these guys came into a game cold plus their likliehood of getting a popup, perhaps the second best thing to a popup.

Skip · 01-18-2004, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oracle

I would need to do some research.

Hey - Oracles don't need to do research. They are either all-knowing or given knowledge as a gift from the Gods. C'mon - cowboy up!

(sorry ... again).

jtmckee · 01-18-2004, 04:26 PM

Koufax did it agian and agian and again
8th inning 9th inning every game for the Dodgers was do or die
he was simply the greatest

Fatwater Fewl · 01-18-2004, 05:22 PM

Koufax. Here's why:

Pitcher K/TBF K/BB

Koufax 0.48 2.93
Johnson 0.51 3.08
Pedro 0.29 4.38
Ryan 0.45 2.04

View Poll Results: Who would get you that needed K?
Randy Johnson	15	24.19%
Nolan Ryan	9	14.52%
Pedro Martinez	12	19.35%
Sandy Koufax	19	30.65%
Too close to call	7	11.29%
Voters: 62. You may not vote on this poll

01-18-2004, 12:49 PM	#1
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	In Need Of A Strikeout Of all the pitchers in history (since 1900) with 500+ career Ks above the league average, only four pitchers have a "Ks above average/IP" ratio above .4 They are: Randy Johnson Nolan Ryan Pedro Martinez Sandy Koufax If you were managing a game, and needed a strikeout, and could choose one of these four to come into the game for you, who would you chose and why? __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

01-18-2004, 01:00 PM	#3
Oxonian95 NetShrine Rookie Of The Year Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Section 112 Posts: 34	We don't know if the batter is right or lefty, which would make a difference. Without that knowledge, and without any remembrance of Koufax, because I'm too young, I'd pick Pedro for one strikeout. Johnson and Ryan are/were not always dominant in early innings, or at least not as dominant as Pedro at the beginning of a game (probably due to the world's greatest changeup). One strikeout with a fresh pitcher? I want Pedro. __________________ You were right and I was wrong. A blind man could tell you that. -- H. I. McDunnough

01-18-2004, 01:21 PM	#5
CCLIB Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Yukon, Oklahoma Posts: 13	Tough to call, but Koufax wins out. Due to the fact that Koufax was one of the best money pitchers in the history of the game, he's my top choice. Nothing against the others, but I couldn't pass him up. __________________ "I was born with the gift of laughter, & the thought that the world was mad."

01-18-2004, 02:35 PM	#8
hmrsf forum mom Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: relocation Posts: 4,298	I would choose 1999 model Pedro. That is just plain nasty. Another not on the list is a Tim Wakefield knuckle ball. When it is on, it is the best stike out pitch in the game. __________________ NDF who shares good karma! Get a coaster! My cup is not only 1/2 full it is brimming! We don't need no stinking Arods!

01-18-2004, 12:53 PM	#2
TGwynn19 Guest Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Naples, FL Posts: 2,087	I picked the Unit. He is simply scary on the mound.

01-18-2004, 01:03 PM	#4
Ytown Tribe fan Guest Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Scrappers territory Posts: 2,515	Of those on the list, I chose Unit, but if I could have ANY pitcher for just one K, I'd take Rob Dibble any day.

01-18-2004, 01:30 PM	#6
RFS62 Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 6	I've seen them all, and Koufax gets my vote. Not a slight to any of the others, but Sandy is the gold standard in my book.

01-18-2004, 01:47 PM	#7
JamesI Netshrine Vacuum Cleaner Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Potsdam, N.Y. Posts: 3,723	I'll take Pedro, but if the batter is a lefty, I might chose to switch to Koufax.

01-18-2004, 02:38 PM	#10
captain_napalm NetShrine All-Century Team Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: ny Posts: 1,611	I'd have to say Pedro. A master of 4 different pitches. __________________ "Cheating is baseball's oldest profession. No other game is so rich in skullduggery, so suited to it or so proud of it." - Thomas Boswell

01-18-2004, 03:02 PM	#11
Wolf Hopper NetShrine Creator & Curator Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: NetShrine WHQ Posts: 6,191	The career numbers say to take Unit. The "peak" season numbers say to take Pedro in 1999. But, for me, I'm taking Ryan - he threw the hardest out of these four. And, for just one K, I want a guy who can pump gas like the Express did in his prime. __________________ Steve, Forum Administrator POSTING TIP FOR THE DAY: When composing a post, think about what you would say if the intended recipient was an individual who was actually sitting just two feet in front of you, in person, rather than just some far away and anonymous audience who only can identify you as text on a PC screen - - and then write your post in that manner. It makes for remarkable and sincere discourse.

01-18-2004, 04:26 PM	#14
jtmckee Having A NetShrine Cup Of Coffee Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Clinton, Mississippi Posts: 13	poll question Koufax did it agian and agian and again 8th inning 9th inning every game for the Dodgers was do or die he was simply the greatest

01-18-2004, 05:22 PM	#15
Fatwater Fewl NetShrine MVP Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Charlottetown, PEI Posts: 261	Koufax. Here's why: Pitcher K/TBF K/BB Koufax 0.48 2.93 Johnson 0.51 3.08 Pedro 0.29 4.38 Ryan 0.45 2.04

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