All Time Decade teams

[BravesWin!]

Hello All! Most of you are probably aware that in August yall helped me put together an all-time team for all 26 pre 1993 franchises....and if you have been to my website or read my updates in the other thread you probably know my season is nearly over....with only 15 games and the post season left. So my next project is to have all-time decade teams play each other, and I would love for yall to help me out again...What I am looking for is an team from the pre 1900, 1900's, 1910's, 20's....and all the way to an all 2000 team. That will give me 12 teams, and i will divide them into 2 divisions of 6 (an odd division and an even division).

Anyhow- here are the rules for picking the teams....these have to be realistic....dont pick 3 OF's, i need a LF, RF, and CF. Please pick a 25 man roster, with a normal distribution. A player must have played most of their career, and had their best years during the decade you put them in...mostly use common sense...i.e. mike schmidt and dale murphy on the 80's team, even though their careers wound down in the 90's. The reason I am having to do an all 2000 team (i know we've only had 3 seasons in the decade, so some speculation will be needed- i realize this, but im stuck) is b.c i needed 12 teams for an even 6/6 distribution. For the 2000 team, please only do players who started their careers in MLB in 2000 or later...i.e., Ichiro, Barry Zito, etc. So ARod and Griffey, Jr. would go on the 90's team.

If you would like to do just 25 players, or do it by starting lineup, either way would be great....

Hopefully we can have as much fun with this project as my other ones....

Thanks so much for yalls help!

Andrew

[Rajah]

I'll help when I have time. I'll take the 1930's. If you need someone to take another decade, let me know. I should have it assembled sometime this week.

[sweaver]

Could be 1880s and 1890s separately, rather than grouped....it would make Smed happy, and eliminate the need for a 2000-2002 team.

Here's a proposal for a 1900s team.

C Roger Bresnahan
1B Frank Chance
2B Nap Lajoie
SS Honus Wagner
3B Tommy Leach
LF Fred Clarke
CF Roy Thomas
RF Sam Crawford

P: Cy Young, Christy Mathewson, Joe McGinnity, Rube Waddell, Vic Willis, Eddie Plank, Jack Chesbro.

Bench: Elmer Flick (OF), Fielder Jones (OF), Jimmy Sheckard (OF), Bobby Wallace (IF), Harry Davis (1B), Bill Dahlen (IF), Johnny Kling (C)

That's only 22, but I'm torn. It doesn't feel right to give them 10 pitchers, but maybe we should. I'll add Three Finger Brown, Jack Powell, and Addie Joss.

What will have to be straightened out, is if two decades claim the same player. Most will lie solidly in one decade, others will overlap.

[sweaver]

And here's a look at the 1910s.

C Chief Meyers
1B Ed Konetchy
2B Eddie Collins
SS Art Fletcher
3B Home Run Baker
LF Joe Jackson
CF Tris Speaker
RF Ty Cobb

Pitchers: Walter Johnson, Pete Alexander, Eddie Cicotte, Hippo Vaughn, Slim Sallee, Claude Hendrix, Babe Adams, Rube Marquard, Joe Wood, Ray Caldwell.

Bench: Larry Doyle (IF), Clyde Milan (OF), Harry Hooper(OF), Zack Wheat (OF), Heinie Zimmerman(IF), Jake Daubert (1B), Ray Schalk (C)

Cheating just a bit putting Cobb in RF, but he did play some there, as well as CF. Besides, you gotta get Cobb AND Speaker in the lineup.

[Ytown Tribe fan]

Realistically, though, most 1900's teams only had 15-18 players on the roster -- 8 regulars, 6 pitchers and a few guys on the bench. It was unheard of for a good team to carry 10 pitchers at a time.

[BravesWin!]

The 1880's and 1890's can be two different decades and eliminate the 2000 team...in fact, that is what i wanted all along, i was just afraid it wouldnt work...but if it would, that would be terrific....

andrew

[sweaver]

Hey, we can make it work.

[SmedIndy]

I can even try an 1870's team too! Look for these in the next few days.

[sweaver]

Isn't anybody else going to play? Here's the all-1930s team. This one is tough. Gehrig or Foxx at 1B? Vaughan or Cronin at SS?

C Bill Dickey
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Charlie Gehringer
SS Arky Vaughan
3B Bob Johnson
LF Al Simmons
CF Earl Averill
RF Mel Ott

Pitchers: Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Red Ruffing, Wes Ferrell, Mel Harder, Dizzy Dean, Lefty Gomez, Lon Warneke, Tommy Bridges.

Bench: Jimmie Foxx (1B), Paul Waner (OF), Joe Cronin (IF), Wally Berger (OF), Gabby Hartnett (C), Joe Medwick (OF), Billy Herman (IF)

[sweaver]

And the 1920s.

C Wally Schang
1B Joe Judge
2B Rogers Hornsby
SS Joe Sewell
3B Frankie Frisch
LF Harry Heilman
CF Edd Roush
RF Babe Ruth

Pitchers: Pete Alexander, Burleigh Grimes, Eppa Rixey, Dolf Luque, Urban Shocker, Eddie Rommel, Red Faber, Dazzy Vance, Herb Pennock, Waite Hoyt

Bench: Sam Rice (OF), Goose Goslin (OF), Ken Williams (OF), Dave Bancroft (IF), George Kelly (IF), Pie Traynor (IF), Muddy Ruel (C)

[sweaver]

I see I put Alexander on the 1910s and 1920s. Somebody else can sort out which one he belongs on.

[Rajah]

Originally posted by sweaver
Isn't anybody else going to play? Here's the all-1930s team. This one is tough. Gehrig or Foxx at 1B? Vaughan or Cronin at SS?

C Bill Dickey
1B Lou Gehrig
2B Charlie Gehringer
SS Arky Vaughan
3B Bob Johnson
LF Al Simmons
CF Earl Averill
RF Mel Ott

Pitchers: Lefty Grove, Carl Hubbell, Red Ruffing, Wes Ferrell, Mel Harder, Dizzy Dean, Lefty Gomez, Lon Warneke, Tommy Bridges.

Bench: Jimmie Foxx (1B), Paul Waner (OF), Joe Cronin (IF), Wally Berger (OF), Gabby Hartnett (C), Joe Medwick (OF), Billy Herman (IF)

Hey! I was going to do the thirties! OK, give me the 1970's then. Don't touch my 70's!!!!

[sweaver]

I'll give everyone else a couple of days to get going. :p

[LeGrandOrange]

I'm going to do the 80's team...I just wanted to point out that wouldn't making an 1870's team give us 13 teams given that a new millenium team will probably not be done?

[LeGrandOrange]

I'll post my 80's team now because this is a difficult 25 man to select. There are very obvious exclusions at the moment right now and I'm not sure if this is the roster I want to use:

LF Rickey Henderson
SS Robin Yount
1B Eddie Murray
CF Dale Murphy
RF Dwight Evans
3B/DH Mike Schmidt
DH/3B Wade Boggs
2B Lou Whitaker
C Gary Carter

C Lance Parrish
2B Ryne Sandberg
3B George Brett
SS Alan Trammell
OF Tim Raines
OF Andre Dawson
OF Dave Winfield

#1 Dave Stieb (yes, Dave Stieb)
#2 Roger Clemens
#3 John Tudor
#4 Bret Saberhagen
#5 Orel Hershiser

LR Frank Viola
LR Dwight Gooden
CL Lee Smith
CL Dan Quisenberry

(BTW, I have NO idea who should start between Schmidt and Boggs, they were rated the same as far I could tell)

I obviously left off Ozzie, and more importantly left off Jack Morris. This is going to be a difficult squad to finalize...
Converse amongst yourselves.

[TGwynn19]

LGO,

very nice job!! one quibble. I would replace Murphy in CF with Brett Butler. Its an up grade defensively and having Rickey and Butler at the top of that line up is scary.

[JamesI]

LGO, my only quibble with the team is the lack of Cal Ripken. His best years (other than 1991) were in the 80s. He should replace Trammell.

[sweaver]

Originally posted by LeGrandOrange
I'll post my 80's team now because this is a difficult 25 man to select. There are very obvious exclusions at the moment right now and I'm not sure if this is the roster I want to use:

Converse amongst yourselves.
Shame not to get Raines in this lineup. I understand not adding Ripken, that's one of the vagaries of splitting things up by decades.

I think Morris and Valenzuela should be here, rather than Tudor and Saberhagen. Charlie Hough in the bullpen.

[mandamin]

I'll take the easy one (in the sense that you don't need a Total Baseball next to you, not in the sense that there are easy choices--I'm sure there will be lots of disagreements), 'cause nobody has yet and I'm bored.
I have to say, though, that the 90's team should claim Clemens. He may not have gotten quite the same press that he did as a youngster, but he played twice as many years as he did in the 80's and enjoyed arguably his five best seasons. Should he be included, I think I'd start him #1, boot Appier and move Glavine to the 'pen.

2B Alomar
SS A-Rod
LF Bonds
DH Thomas
CF Griffey
1B Bagwell
3B Jones
RF Belle
C Piazza

C I-Rod
2B Knoblauch
3B M. Williams
SS Larkin
OF L. Walker
OF Lofton
OF Gwynn

#1 Maddux
#2 P. Martinez
#3 R. Johnson
#4 K. Brown
#5 T. Glavine

LR Mussina
LR Appier
CL Rivera
CL Hoffman

I had the same problem LGO did with Schmidt/Boggs in regards to Thomas/Bagwell. I lean toward Thomas, but Bagwell's glove is huge.
Wow. I love this team. The starters go a little light on the D, but the all-GG bench more than makes up for it. Also, I'd like to have a lefty in the 'pen, which is another reason this team needs Clemens. If anyone can think of a better 3rd lefty than Jamie Moyer (whose handedness advantage I decided didn't make him worth taking over Appier), let me know.
Aside from the SPs, you could probably make another entirely different 90's team that was virtually as good as this one. Your criticisms/suggestions/ridicule is welcomed and appreciated. :)

[SmedIndy]

The 1890's Today:

C Jack Clements (a lefty!)
1B Dan Brouthers
2B Cupid Childs
SS Bill Dahlen
3B John McGraw
LF Ed Delehanty
CF Sliding Billy Hamilton
RF Sam Thompson

Bench:

C Deacon McGuire
1B Roger Connor
2B Tom Daly
SS Hughie Jennings (ee-ya!)
3B Bill Joyce
OF Bill Lange
OF Jesse Burkett
OF Willie Keeler
OF Mike Tiernan

8-man staff:

Kid Nichols
Cy Young
Amos Rusie
Jack Stivetts
Bill Hutchison
Ted Brietenstein
Clark Griffith
Sadie McMahon

Thes'n could beat your'n....

[SmedIndy]

SW - I think Cy belongs in the 1890's, personally. 267 of his wins came in the 1890's. And Dahlen was a better player in the 1890s than he was in the aughts...

And I know it said "normal" distribution, but as we study baseball through the ages there is no "normal" distribution of rosters. Each decade and era takes on its own shape. With no closers or relief pitching of any kind, really, I think 1870-1910 should have fewer pitchers (8), and 1920-60 one more (9), then 1960-1980 (10), and today (11).

[sweaver]

So, the aughts could add Bill Dineen to replace Young, and George Davis as the backup shortstop replacing Dahlen.

Problem solved.

[LeGrandOrange]

I'll respond to all 3 of you, because most of the reasons I have are the same for each omission. Except the pitching thing, I'll get into that later, sweaver. This will take a while BTW.

Butler is really hindered by the fact that we don't include his best season, 1990, in this equation. He's also hindered by a lack of a signature season. Never the less, you include that season and he's just a September callup at best anyway. I do appreciate the sentiment, because I'm glad I'm not the only Brett Butler fan. I have reasons for campaigning for his induction into Cooperstown you know. :)

As it is with Butler, Ripken also gets hindered by the start year. His is a little more important as I am quite aware Ripken had some great seasons, and even his bad seasons were decent that decade. He was above average every year as a regular. Trammell had a few seasons where he lagged behind, but was Larkin-esque for about half of the decade, and he should have an MVP award for 1987. His great was better than Ripken's at that time, even if he has an MVP himself. Also, Trammell was the gold glover of that decade. And admittedly, part of the reason he got the nod was Lou Whitaker. I can't think of one without the other. This was a really tough choice, and I couldn't include both because I needed a backup catcher. If this starts a year later, Trammell misses the cut, but Trammell gets the nod. But that's a real tough choice, especially when Osborne is thrown into the mix.

Raines also lost out from the start year, but Murphy gained as much as Raines lost. Murphy had his first great year in 1980, and when you count that instead of the year Murphy ended in Philly, that's a big margin. I can give a more logical explanation than start years for Murphy, because Murphy gives me better defense, and because Henderson really isn't a CF. Platooning Murphy and Raines is a good idea on this team, but given the circumstances, I'll take Dale as the regular. I have nothing but respect for Tim Raines, but Dale is the better player for the spot I have to fill.

The pitching staff is much more fixable, because part of the reasons I selected guys like Tudor, Sabes, and Viola was that I was looking for quality instead of quantity, the former of which was lacking in the batteries of the decade, and the latter of which a lot of pitchers had instead of the former. In other words, Jack and Fernando were both lucky pitchers...and you probably know that. In fact, Fernando wasn't even the first Mexican I wanted on this team, I nearly put Higuera in the bullpen (for the same quality reasons) but I took Gooden instead. I think I'd probably put Jack and Fernando in the rotation but I have no idea where I'd put them honestly. I was just trying to get the most effective pitchers I can find on the staff.
An easier fix is Hough in the bullpen, because if I'm going 9 pitchers, Hough is essentially 3 pitchers in one. Viola is great but he can't do that as well.

I also may decide on having Fisk catch some of these pitchers instead of Parrish, unless the 70's team selects him.

Whew, that took awhile. Hopefully you understood all that because I didn't. :)

[LeGrandOrange]

I'll also give the 90's team Clemens...Bert Blyleven will be a replacement. The 80's doesn't have a lot of pitching so it allows Clemens to be the second best pitcher in both decades if you use RSAA. :)

[BravesWin!]

this is great yall...i hope you are enjoying this as much as me...also, i was wondering if anyone has a prediction on who will win the season once the games have been played...its probably to early to decide b/c most of the 20th century hasn't been done yet, but any early predictions would be great...

andrew

[WiredTiger]

Originally posted by SmedIndy
The 1890's Today:

C Jack Clements (a lefty!)
1B Dan Brouthers
2B Cupid Childs
SS Bill Dahlen
3B John McGraw
LF Ed Delehanty
CF Sliding Billy Hamilton
RF Sam Thompson

Bench:

C Deacon McGuire
1B Roger Connor
2B Tom Daly
SS Hughie Jennings (ee-ya!)
3B Bill Joyce
OF Bill Lange
OF Jesse Burkett
OF Willie Keeler
OF Mike Tiernan

8-man staff:

Kid Nichols
Cy Young
Amos Rusie
Jack Stivetts
Bill Hutchison
Ted Brietenstein
Clark Griffith
Sadie McMahon

Thes'n could beat your'n....

With Nichols, Young and Rusie pitching you could probably go to a three man rotation and only carry five pitchers!

[mandamin]

BravesWin, I'm sure you've said this somewhere before (but since the all-time team teams thread is about seven hundred trillion posts long I doubt I'll find it), but what game/program/system/whatever are you using to run these sims?

My early favorites would be my 90's team and the 60's team whenever it's made (although a lot of great players are on the borderline between 50's and 60's, so a lot depends on how that all shakes out). But I'm really just guessing.

[sweaver]

Originally posted by BravesWin!
but any early predictions would be great...

andrew Gotta wait to see all the teams first. They will all be of top quality.

[gyb13]

Originally posted by mandamin
2B Knoblauch how about Biggio as a backup C/IF instead?

[mandamin]

Originally posted by gyb13
how about Biggio as a backup C/IF instead?

In retrospect, you're absolutely right. I would make that change. I considered both and went with Knoblauch on the strength of his peak years in the mid-90's, but then I looked back and realized that save one, they weren't as good as I remembered, and didn't last as long. Biggio is clearly the choice. I don't think his value as a catcher helps much, since we've already got two very good ones (unless there's somebody the team needs more than I-Rod...maybe another pitcher), but he definitely should be the backup 2B.

[BravesWin!]

Originally posted by mandamin
BravesWin, I'm sure you've said this somewhere before (but since the all-time team teams thread is about seven hundred trillion posts long I doubt I'll find it), but what game/program/system/whatever are you using to run these sims?


Strat-o-matic baseball

[Rajah]

Here's my roster for the seventies. I tried to use players who played the majority of their career in the 70's, and avoided guys who played more in the 80's (unless LGO left them off his roster), or who played more heavily in the 60's. Here it is, with no particular order in terms of a depth chart:

C Carlton Fisk (sorry 80's, you took both top 3b's that played in each era)
C Johnny Bench
1b Willie McCovey (if the 60's don't claim him)
1b Tony Perez
1b Dick Allen (if the 60's claim McCovey)
and if the sixties claim both, then Cecil Cooper
2b Joe Morgan
2b Rod Carew
3b Darrell Evans
3b Sal Bando
SS Bert Campaneris
SS Dave Concepcion
LF Carl Yastrezemski
LF Willie Stargell
CF Jimmy Wynn
RF Reggie Jackson
RF Pete Rose

Pitchers, using SmedIndy's order of things:
Tom Seaver
Steve Carlton
Jim Palmer
Gaylord Perry
Ferguson Jenkins
Nolan Ryan
Phil Niekro
Don Sutton
Dennis Eckersley
Goose Gossage

Due to time constraints, I wasn't able to put as much thought into this as I would have liked, so I'm open to suggestions.

[Rajah]

If its possible, I think we should have teams play in home stadiums of their own era. I'll leave the stadium choices up to the crowd, but here's a few ideas:

The polo grounds for the teens, yankee stadium in the 20's, dodger stadium in the 60's, riverfront for the 70's, busch for the 80's, and fulton county or camden yards in the 90's

I'd like to get wrigley in there

just a few ideas.

[SmedIndy]

Palace of the Fan in Cincy for 1900.

Sportsman's Park in St. Louis for 1890.

The Old Polo Grounds in NY for 1880.

See if we can get the Elysian Fields for 1870.

[BravesWin!]

As far as all the ballparks I have available, I have all of the current ballparks, as well as all of the ones that were around in 1993, i.e., three rivers, tiger stadium etc.

I also have this list of old-time parks to choose from:
memeorial stad - balt
old fenway
old comiskey
league - cleve
municiapal - kc
wrigley - la
met -- minn
old yankee
shibe - phila
sportsman
sicks - seattle
exhibition - tor
griffith - dc
rfk - wash
braves - bost
ebbetts
crosley
colt
coliseum - la
jarry - mont
polo grnds
baker bowl
forbes
seals - sf

So those are the 55 or so parks i have to choose from.

andrew

[Dr. Memory]

I see nobody's taken the 1940s. I volunteer. I've got a good start on it already.

[LeGrandOrange]

The 70's can take Fisk, I wasn't sure if you were going to acquire him or not. So Parrish it'll be.

And I'll take Busch Stadium for the team...Herzog was probably the choice to manage this club anyway.

[BravesWin!]

Just an update: We have, so far, 1890, 1900, 1910, 1920, 1930, 1970, 1980, 1990.

We are waiting on: 1880, 1940, 1950, 1960.

Also, especially on the more modern teams, I need to know if yall can add more natural relievers. they dont have to be closers, but maybe an outstanding setup guy or two, as I want to give them their due, and not give all the glory to the starters. I would do it, but I dont want to step on the toes of the people who take the time to make these rosters.

And, I would love to assign teams their own homepark and manager...i posted the homeparks above this one, so feel free to take a look and decide....

Thanks....

andrew

[BravesWin!]

One other thing...I want to assign team names to each decade, most likely by the most dominant team in their decade. Realizing that I cant use Yankees 42 times, some decades we may have to give a little leeway, i.e. using the Braves for the 1990's, etc. Any suggestions on which team should be which decade?

PS-try and use a team only once....

thanks,

andrew

[Skip]

Originally posted by BravesWin!
One other thing...I want to assign team names to each decade, most likely by the most dominant team in their decade. Realizing that I cant use Yankees 42 times, some decades we may have to give a little leeway, i.e. using the Braves for the 1990's, etc. Any suggestions on which team should be which decade?

PS-try and use a team only once....

thanks,

andrew I think that trying to name the teams this way will be opening up unnecessary debate. How about name them after something relevant to their decade? The 60's Hippies, 50's Cleavers, 40's Warriors, 20's Flappers, etc. :D

[SmedIndy]

I will do 1871-1889 tonight. In looking at just the 1880's the roster was pretty bleak, but perhaps the 1870's may help.

1900 - Cubs (HOLY COW!)
1880 - Browns
1890 - Beaneaters

[Rajah]

1970's - Stadium - Riverfront
Manager - Earl Weaver (I just like that guy-Great manager, IMO)
Nickname - The Big Red Machine

I'd like to give some props to the A's in there - Maybe the (White?) Elephants as the nickname instead?

So, I'm throwing another choice for nicknames out there, why not a good team nickname from the era? Not sure how well this would work.

If you go with another nickname idea, then the A's if you use a dominant team (we're already using the Red's stadium and the O's manager), or if its a generalization about the era, then How bout the 1970's Disco Demolishers?

[BravesWin!]

Originally posted by Rajah
If you go with another nickname idea, then the A's if you use a dominant team (we're already using the Red's stadium and the O's manager), or if its a generalization about the era, then How bout the 1970's Disco Demolishers?


Either way...whatever yall think would work best....

andrew

[Dr. Memory]

Herewith my team of the 1940s, "The Greatest Generation". They play on a sandlot on Guam under heavy air cover, or in Wrigley Field (because the team who's gone longest without a WS appearance last did it in 1945). Either way. :)

I did not consider Negro League players due to a lack of data. It's probably true that Satchel Paige was better than Tiny Bonham. Other than that, I am much less sure.

The players were selected based on 40s value and peak value only. Here they are, in order of desirability within position:

P
Bob Feller
Hal Newhouser
Dizzy Trout
Bucky Walters
Mort Cooper
Tex Hughson
Harry Brecheen
Rip Sewell
Dutch Leonard
Johnny Vander Meer
Tiny Bonham

C
Walker Cooper
Phil Masi

1B
Johnny Mize
Phil Cavaretta

2B
Bobby Doerr
Joe Gordon

3B
Bob Elliott

SS
Lou Boudreau
Vern Stephens

LF
Ted Williams

CF
Joe DiMaggio
Dom DiMaggio

RF
Dixie Walker
Bill Nicholson

Just missing the cut were Stan Hack, Charlie Keller, Enos Slaughter, Tommy Holmes, and Roy Cullenbine.

The pitching seems weak. Cut were Virgil Trucks, Eddie Lopat, and Allie Reynolds. Maybe I missed someone. Any ideas?

The catching is also weak. It was not exactly The Golden Age of Catchers, saving guys like Bill Dickey and Ernie Lombardi who more properly belong to the 30s, IMO.

Ted Williams can obviously go with either the 40s or 50s. I think he was better in the 40s, so here he is. Charlie Keller would be the backup choice. But I say, let Stan the Man have the 50s!

Dom DiMaggio can be questioned for CF only if you don't insist on having a backup CF. He's the only possible candidate before Pete Reiser, who as we know had a marvelous peak but a very short career. Since none of the guys on my roster or those who just missed the cut are CFs, with the Clipper's propensity for injury, you'd be taking a chance leaving little brother off the team.

Felicities include Bob Elliott and Phil Cavaretta being able to take the OF, Vern Stephens being able to take 3B, and Ted Williams being able to shoot MiGs out of the sky.

If I were to essay a lineup, I'd probably go Boudreau, Walker, Williams, Mize, DiMaggio, Elliott, Doerr, Cooper.

[Rajah]

Originally posted by Dr. Memory
LF
Ted Williams

CF
Joe DiMaggio
Dom DiMaggio


Wouldn't be surprised if a fistfight broke out in the outfield :P

We might just have the pissiest outfield of all time here.

There are a couple of other stadiums I would have considered for the 40's, but I like your reasoning for Wrigley.

How bout a manager and a Nickname (or is the nickname the Greatest Generation?) Who would you have for manager? I'm drawing a bit of a blank on the great managers of the 40's, mostly due to WWII screwing up all the teams.

[Rajah]

By the way, for the 70's, lets use the A's nickname there-White Elephants. I want to pay homage to the big three of the 70's-O's, A's and Reds. (although, I could just call them the Reggies. Would make reggie jackson happy...maybe...nah)

[Skip]

Much as it pains me to say so, the NYY can lay an approximately equal claim to the 70's as the others. Anyway ... how does "White Elephants pay homage to any but the A's?" See, these are the types of debates I wanted to avoid by choosing decade specific names rather than team-centered names. :D

Of course, anyone trying to take the 70's away from the Reds, logic be damned, will face my wrath!

[Rajah]

Originally posted by Skip
Much as it pains me to say so, the NYY can lay an approximately equal claim to the 70's as the others. Anyway ... how does "White Elephants pay homage to any but the A's?" See, these are the types of debates I wanted to avoid by choosing decade specific names rather than team-centered names. :D

Of course, anyone trying to take the 70's away from the Reds, logic be damned, will face my wrath!

Well, the Yankees can claim darn near any decade, but the imo, the 70's were all about the o's, a's, and the reds. so then, in order to avoid such conflict, the 70's can be the Disco Demolishers. Can we all just get along now?

I do admit however, the big red machine is a heckuva good nickname for a team.

My thought in the team names was that the 20's could have been the Bronx Bombers (even if they played elsewhere), the 80's could have been the runnin redbirds, the 70's could have been BRM, or elephants (though I think the name applied better in other era's of A's history, I just couldn't think of any nicknames for the A's of the 70's in particular). You could have had the Gashouse gang in there somewhere, etc.

But Disco Demolishers works for me, and hopefully for everyone else.

[Dr. Memory]

Sorry, I missed that managers were needed. I'd have to go with Joe McCarthy, since he seemed to know best what to do with good players.

And yes, the team name I suggest is "The Greatest Generation", since no doubt my grandfather would say "these were the best ballplayers ever and everyone today wears skirts you can't even dust a guy off without starting a fight and they can't pitch a complete game and what the h--- is a rotator cuff and why do you have to platoon some of these bums and g-- d--- it we licked Tojo and Hitler for you." And to him I'd say, "You're right, grampa, now please let go of my neck and put me back on the floor." :D

[Dr. Memory]

Originally posted by Rajah
But Disco Demolishers works for me, and hopefully for everyone else.

If it doesn't work, you could just call them "That 70s Team". Baf!

[Rajah]

Originally posted by Dr. Memory
If it doesn't work, you could just call them "That 70s Team". Baf!

Ha! Thats Great! I love it! Lets go with that name!:beer:


:topic: btw, Dr Memory, where in rural Illinois are you? I'm originally from non-chicago Illinois (I hate saying downstate, because there are areas of Illinois that are, in fact, NOT downstate)

[Dr. Memory]

Originally posted by Rajah
:topic: btw, Dr Memory, where in rural Illinois are you? I'm originally from non-chicago Illinois (I hate saying downstate, because there are areas of Illinois that are, in fact, NOT downstate)

I learned long ago that here in Illinois, anything that is not literally Chicago is defined by Chicagoans as "downstate", with the possible exception of Stickney.

It is apposite that you should ask now, with February 2 coming and all. I live in Woodstock, the town where that excellent movie Groundhog Day was made. (To our credit, we didn't put a tax on not wearing puffy director pants.) 2/2 was never a big deal here, why should it be, but now the town goes nuts, like we actually were Punxutawney and not a more charming stand-in. Ah, the power of Hollywood...

[SmedIndy]

1870's - 1880's

C Buck Ewing
1B Cap Anson
2B Hardy Richardson
SS Pebbly Jack Glasscock
3B Deacon White
LF Tip O'Neill
CF Pete Browning
RF King Kelly

Bench:

C Fred Carroll
1B Dave Orr
2B Yank Robinson
SS Jack Rowe
3B Ned Williamson
OF Jim O'Rourke
OF Charley Jones
OF George Gore
OF Paul Hines

(A lot of the above positions could be switched, as was the norm back in the day).

Staff:

John Clarkson
Old Hoss
Tim Keefe
Will White
Parisian Bob Caruthers
Pud Galvin
Tim Mullane
Smiling Mickey Welch

[sweaver]

A reminder, friends, that just because you use the :topic: sign, doesn't mean it's OK to venture off topic.

We now return you to the "all-decade" teams.

[Rajah]

smed-stadium?, manager?, nickname?

[SmedIndy]

I gave the stadiums and nicknames earlier. I prefer using the team names myself.

Managers 1890 - Frank Selee and 1880 - Charlie Comiskey

[Rajah]

Here's the 1960's, I can't think of a manager to use, so perhaps the congregation can come up with something. Notice that I saved Mickey Mantle for the 50's. I didn't feel like using something hippy related for the nickname, so I went with the Spooks, since (to my knowledge) it was something of a golden age for spies.

1960's
Stadium: Dodger
Manager: umm
nickname: The Spooks

C Joe Torre
C Bill Freehan
1b Harmon Killebrew
1b Willie McCovey
2b Dick McAuliffe
2b Bill Mazeroski
3b Ron Santo
3b Brooks Robinson
SS Ernie Banks (2 Cubs!)
SS Maury Wills
LF Billy Williams
LF Lou Brock
CF Willie Mays
RF Henry Aaron
RF Frank Robinson

Bob Gibson
Sandy Koufax
Juan Marichal
Jim Bunning
Don Drysdale
Tommy John
Jim Kaat
Mickey Lolich
Ron Perranoski
Hoyt Wilhelm

[BravesWin!]

We now have every decade except for the 1950's.....

andrew

[sweaver]

Me! Me! Me!

C Yogi Berra
1B Stan Musial
2B Nellie Fox
SS Al Dark
3B Eddie Mathews
LF Mickey Mantle
CF Richie Ashburn
RF Duke Snider
Cheating, but the four best outfielders of the 50s were center fielders, Mays being the fourth. Musial too, but he played a lot of 1B in the decade.

Pitchers: Warren Spahn, Robin Roberts, EArly Wynn, Billy Pierce, Bob Lemon, Don Newcombe, Mike Garcia, Whitey Ford, Bob Rush, Johnny Antonelli.

Bench: Minnie Minoso(OF), Larry Doby (OF), Gil Hodges (1B), Eddie Yost (IF), Gil McDougald(IF), Jackie Robinson (all), Roy Campanella (C)

Park: Ebbets Field
Nickname: The Dukes (as in Willie, Mickey and...)

[LeGrandOrange]

I have honestly no clue what I want to call the 80's team. (And BTW, I am applying the pitching staff changes in case you're wondering, that's all, sorry Ripken)

BTW, I'd give the 60's managerial job to Walter Alston because I don't think the 50's team is going to take anyone else but Stengel.

Now that I think about Alston, I'm now not sure if I should give Whitey Herzog the managerial position or Tom Lasorda...

[Rajah]

For the 80's nickname, how bout the 1980's Ice? or Blow? Ok, so maybe a drug related nickname isn't such a good idea. Seriously now, how bout the 1980's Yuppies?

Alston works for me as manager for the 60's.

[LeGrandOrange]

I don't like Yuppies, I've had bad experiences with them. :)

[Dr. Memory]

One name for the 80s team might be the Rovers, in honor of the burgeoning free agent market.

A cool name for the 70s team could be the First Strikes. Sounds properly hawkish and aggressive, and has a double meaning thanks to what happened in 1972.

Some other 50s OFs to consider (since he wanted LFs and RFs) might be LF-1B Roy Sievers, LF Del Ennis, RF Carl Furillo, RF Hank Bauer, perhaps RF Al Kaline if he doesn't fit in the 60s. If there is a 60s player who missed the cut but is clearly better than these (Kaline and Clemente would be obvious choices), he could be instated and Aaron shuffled back to the 50s. You could also move Musial to LF and instate Kluszewski, Wertz, or Vernon.

[Rajah]

Sorry man, unless the congregation overrules me, I'm holding fast with aaron. and that 70's team is a great name. sure its a blatant ripoff of a current show based in the 70s but its still a great name.

the fifties can have clemente.

[LeGrandOrange]

Rovers sounds like a British football team. :) Not that I have a problem with British football of course...