NetShrine Discussion Forum All-Time Team Contest

[NetShrine]

Here's the rules at a high level: There will be a "mock" draft. Everyone must draft a team of 13 players:

One SP, one closer, one C, one 1B, one 2B, one SS, one 3B, three OF, one DH (can be any hitter), one spare P, and one spare hitter.

Once I know who is playing, we'll announce a draft order. "Teams" will have 48 hours after the pick before them to make their draft pick - on the board - no pick means they're out of the game. Any player in MLB history can be drafted. Players must have played 154 games at a position in their career to be eligible to be drafted at that position.

After all remaining teams have drafted full 13 man rosters, we'll start a new thread in which we'll debate "survivor" style who has the best team. Questions? Any interest in playing? Post a reply here - thanks.

[redsox617]

Count me in on this one. Sounds like a good way to pass the time during the long cold winta in Boston.

:p

[nyy26wc]

I see one little problem.

Everyone has a conflict of interest on this one. Everyone's going to be biased towards their own teams.

Otherwise, it sounds like a good idea.

Meanwhile, I'm thinking of another good way to both give us continued baseball coverage during the offseason, as well as give everyone continued reasons to constantly continue to visit the boards even though the season will end.

I'm thinking of running an all time greatest team ever tournament, featuring every championship team since the start of the 20th century.

Oh and by the way, the around the majors reports know no offseason.

Remember, there's the regular season, the postseason, trades/free agency season and preseason. All 365 games of the season are covered. Therefore, it's always baseball season.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by nyy26wc
I see one little problem.

Everyone has a conflict of interest on this one. Everyone's going to be biased towards their own teams.

Same thing happens in rotisserie leagues. Not really a problem. JUst another level of the strategy.

Originally posted by nyy26wc
I'm thinking of another good way to both give us continued baseball coverage during the offseason, as well as give everyone continued reasons to constantly continue to visit the boards even though the season will end.

I'm thinking of running an all time greatest team ever tournament, featuring every championship team since the start of the 20th century.

Didn't Baseball Weekly run this a few years ago? Sounds like fun.

[Mexicani Blue]

i would love to play, but i never got that whole draft concept. :confuse: i tried once with football, but it was way beyond my realm of thinking. i don't think buzz has the time (or patience) to help me "get it", so i'll spare all the aggrevation and pass. adios!!

mex
:guapo:

ps - the only players i would put on my team would be my NY METS so that doesn't work well with the rules, no?

[NetShrine]

Mex - talk to Buzz before you throw in the towel. This could be fun.

[yankeesrule2000]

you can count me in..sounds like a lot of fun....but i am also not too good with this drafting thing :(

[Mexicani Blue]

ok, net. can i make my team up with the "cream of the crop" mets? (and don't say that's an oxymoron!!) :idea:

mex
:guapo:

[Mexicani Blue]

Originally posted by yankeesrule2000
you can cunt me in..sounds like a lot of fun....but i am also not too good with this drafting thing :(

you meant COUNT, right? :confuse2:

mex
:guapo:

[ChrisCary]

I'm in.

[yankeesrule2000]

Originally posted by Mexicani Blue


you meant COUNT, right? :confuse2:

mex
:guapo:

Yeah, wow that was a big mistake......

[NetShrine]

Half-dozen so far including me - this is a good start. Let's give the others some time to buzz in.

[satchel]

I think I'll have to remain a spectator in this one, folks. I don't think I have the knowledge to compete here, so my participation will require more time at baseball-reference.com than I really want to give right now. ;) I look forward to learning from all of you though!

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by satchel
I think I'll have to remain a spectator in this one, folks. I don't think I have the knowledge to compete here, so my participation will require more time at baseball-reference.com than I really want to give right now. ;) I look forward to learning from all of you though!

Satch - - I was betting you would bite on this one. You know more than you think you do. Sure you don't want to play? It's just for laughs and bragging rights. :)

[hmrsf]

but I am clueless as what to do. Please define the rules real well and be patient.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by hmrsf
Please define the rules real well and be patient.

Don't worry, it will come. ;)

[Yogi#8Fan]

Starting Pitcher -- Babe Ruth
Catcher -- either Bill Dickey, Campy, Elston Howard, or Yogi
1B -- Mattingly
2B -- Joe Morgan (though he's not the biggest friend of the Yanks)
SS -- Skooter, Pay-Rod or Jete
3B -- Cal
LF -- Roger Maris
CF -- either the Yankee Clipper, Mantle or Bernie
RF -- Paulie
DH -- Iron Horse (Gehrig)
extra P -- Randy Johnson or Gator (Ron Guidry)
extra hitter -- Tony Gwynn

All players chosen out of a hat, simply because I believe they've added a lot to their game, for which they're well known. When I chose a single player, that's only because that's the first likely choice for a top player, not any quality or quantitative limitations on great players who covered those positions. For multiple choices, it was obvious that too many were available to fill the bill.

As expected, I weighed heavily from the Yankee all-time roster with a few honorable distinctions. Hope my team wins. If not, I'll have to kick someone in the shin. ;):stinker:

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Mexicani Blue
ps - the only players i would put on my team would be my NY METS so that doesn't work well with the rules, no?I weighed heavily towards the Yankees so why not? If taking the Mets, make sure you get the starting pitcher right and I only mean one starting pitcher for the Mets. You know who I mean.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by NetShrine
Everyone must draft a team of 13 players:

One SP, one closer, one C, one 1B, one 2B, one SS, one 3B, three OF, one DH (can be any hitter), one spare P, and one spare hitter.There are only 11 positions in your list. Who are the other 2 players?

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
There are only 11 positions in your list. Who are the other 2 players?

Yog - we're not picking yet. Little premature there fella. ;)

It is 13. Go back and re-read it. "Three" OF.

[Golden Bear]

I think this sounds neat. I'm in.

[BuzzBuzzard]

I'm in.

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Mexicani Blue
i would love to play, but i never got that whole draft concept. Honey - this is survivor, but you set up to be the weakest link.

[NetShrine]

Thanks all! Let's give it another 24 hours before I start to pull it together.

Others - join the fun! What do you say?

PS to those in - - if you know someone who may be interested, pass the word. Thanks.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by NetShrine
Yog - we're not picking yet. Little premature there fella. ;)

It is 13. Go back and re-read it. "Three" OF.I was really testing you for alertness. Good thing you passed. :loud:

[pjl7]

I will give this a shot. Survivor style seems like the best angle considering it will be based on more than raw stats. After drafting is over, perhaps each manager should spend one post selling his team a little.

[Duque]

Sign me up.

[Mexicani Blue]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Honey - this is survivor, but you set up to be the weakest link.

Buzz -

:kiss:

Mex
:guapo:

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Honey - this is survivor, but you set up to be the weakest link.


One word for you........slice!:goof:

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by pjl7
I will give this a shot. Survivor style seems like the best angle considering it will be based on more than raw stats. After drafting is over, perhaps each manager should spend one post selling his team a little.

Excellent idea. Work on Rob. I don't think he's signed up on this yet.

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by hmrsf



One word for you........slice!:goof: ooopse! Your wife had my same thoughts, but I did not post them. I don't get the draft either.

Stating the obvious is not to you, but slice still holds to buzz.

[Throwback]

This is right up my alley! Count me way in. Best idea ever.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Throwback
This is right up my alley! Count me way in. Best idea ever.

Good and thanks. I think that's now 12 or 13? Tomorrow we'll get to next steps - - still time for others to join! Jump on in!

[b-ball-lunachik]

Okay Net...you had to rope me in with that email, huh? :D You know I'm too addicted to these boards as is...but this sounds really fun!! :D I wish I knew more players from history, but I think I'm too dang competetive to turn away...

a couple of questions --

will there be a pool of guys to draft from or are we on our own to research so to speak?

you get 48 hrs to make your selection when your turn is up right? when you evaluate survivor style whose team to vote off, is there a vote on a specific day of the week and are all participants votes needed? just in case I'm away or something...can I have someone vote for me?

and the all important -- does the winner get anything more than bragging rights? Did you ever make those spiffy Netshrine t-shirts?

[NetShrine]

Everyone is on their own for the research. Yes, 48 hours from the time the Moderator says it's your turn. Survivor thing is still to be worked out. Winner just gets bragging rights - - T-Shirts hit the skids when no enough showed an interest.

[Throwback]

Aw, c'mon, Netshrine. How about a free edition of total baseball or something. Anything would be great, really.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Throwback
Aw, c'mon, Netshrine. How about a free edition of total baseball or something. Anything would be great, really.

We already did that. Buzz won it. One contest per year. Mainsr won it in 2000. Wait till next year! :D

[Throwback]

But this is such a good idea not to be a contest!:bawl:

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Throwback
But this is such a good idea not to be a contest!

But, I also want it to be fun. Things can get nasty when there's a real carrot on the stick. This way, no hard feelings - hopefully. ;)

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Throwback
But this is such a good idea not to be a contest!:bawl:There's no crying in basebawl. (pun intended :loud::))

Tom Hanks.

[NetShrine]

Anyone else want in?

[nyy26wc]

I forgot to say that, even with the potential flaw I found, count me in.

[NetShrine]

:) I was already counting you Lee.

[NetShrine]

More to follow on this whole thing - by the end of the week. Promise.

[Jen]

I'm with Mexi and hmrsf on this one...guess it's a girl thing. ;)

[hmrsf]

could consult Ophra and find an emotionally well balanced team. Now that may be a harder contest!

[NetShrine]

What's the difference between Ms. Winfrey and Cecil Fielder?

[hmrsf]

I don't know net.......go ahead and tell us. ( I am afraid..very afraid.)

[Duque]

Originally posted by NetShrine
What's the difference between Ms. Winfrey and Cecil Fielder?

There's a difference? :D

Quick question - does one have to specify what position they're drafting a player for, if that player played multiple positions (Babe Ruth, for example)?

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Duque
There's a difference? :D

Quick question - does one have to specify what position they're drafting a player for, if that player played multiple positions (Babe Ruth, for example)?

:cool: Damn Duque! You stole my punchline! :loud: That's the direction I was going in - when asked what - "Gosh, I don't know - I was hoping you would tell me!" :stinker:

On the player thing, you state where when you draft him - - Banks, SS, something like that.

[hmrsf]

if no dh? Due to the retched curse thing, I feel it is only right that a Bosox fan gets Ruth. I am a firm believer in karma!:D

[Throwback]

How's the draft order going to work? I suggest random.

[NetShrine]

Details will follow!

Hang in there - - draft will be addressed then.

[NetShrine]

Just a quick check - - these are who I think wants to play:


redsox617
nyy26wc
mexicani blue
yankeesrule2000
chris cary
hmrsf
b-ball-lunachik
yogi#8fan
golden bear
buzzbuzzard
pjl7
netshrine
duque
throwback
jen


I miss anyone? Speak up! Anyone change their mind?

[Jen]

Sorry Net, I've changed my mind. Dear Prudence can't come out to play.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Jen
Sorry Net, I've changed my mind. Dear Prudence can't come out to play.

Yeah, that's cause only the Warriors can come out and plaaaaaay.

No sweat Jen - maybe next time?

[Jen]

Originally posted by NetShrine


Yeah, that's cause only the Warriors can come out and plaaaaaay.

No sweat Jen - maybe next time?

Yeah, sure.

[hmrsf]

If Jeter and Nomar can hang, why not? We could pick a way out team. And if we are voted out first, who cares!

Come on Jen, if you don't, a girl could just drown in the testosterone (sp) level here!:cool2:

[NetShrine]

No one has a question on the rules? (http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=819)

[BuzzBuzzard]

What rules?

[Mexicani Blue]

Originally posted by NetShrine
No one has a question on the rules? (http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=819)

Oh this changes everything. :eek: I don't like to play when there are rules. That means I have to think. :idea: I do that for a living already!!!!

Mex
:guapo:

[BuzzBuzzard]

Originally posted by Mexicani Blue
That means I have to think. :idea: I do that for a living already!!!!

Mex
:guapo: That's why I am the bread winner in the family, huh?

[Mexicani Blue]

:rant:

Mex

[NetShrine]

So, Mex, you in or out? <-of the game, that is. ;)

[Mexicani Blue]

Originally posted by NetShrine
So, Mex, you in or out? <-of the game, that is. ;)

Net -
What are the rules you mentioned a few replies back?

Mex
:confuse:

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Mexicani Blue
Net -
What are the rules you mentioned a few replies back?


http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=819

[NetShrine]

OK, this is what some of you have been waiting for...........the draft order:

1. mexicani blue
2. hmrsf
3. b-ball-lunachik
4. redsox617
5. yankeesrule2000
6. chris cary
7. throwback
8. duque
9. yogi#8fan
10. golden bear
11. buzzbuzzard
12. pjl7
13. nyy26wc
14. netshrine

remember, the important thing is that you should only pick once prompted to pick. OK? Good luck!

[NetShrine]

To those not in, you still have some time if interested - - get in before NETSHRINE makes his first pick in the 1st round.

Geez, I'm doing the 3rd person thing..............

[NetShrine]

OK - - ALL please note - - we're going tomorrow! Where it reads 10/13, make it 10/6. Thanks - - sorry about the confusion.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by NetShrine
No one has a question on the rules? (http://www.netshrine.com/vbulletin2/showthread.php?s=&threadid=819)I've made my pick for SP. No one else made more than one choice of player so that's the only one I chose. How many players at a time should I choose? I didn't see anything about whether or not I'd be prompted as to my next player choice or not.

I've never played fantasy baseball before, so this isn't quite my forte but I'm still up for it.

[b-ball-lunachik]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I've made my pick for SP. No one else made more than one choice of player so that's the only one I chose. How many players at a time should I choose? I didn't see anything about whether or not I'd be prompted as to my next player choice or not.

I've never played fantasy baseball before, so this isn't quite my forte but I'm still up for it.

hey YogiFan -- Net's not around, so I'll take a shot at explaining, although I'm sure he'd do a better job.... :)

You choose/draft one player at each turn. You had chosen the Babe, but he was already taken, so your amended pick of Whitey Ford goes in as your official first round pick...

Round 2 goes in the reverse draft order, so you'll get the 6th pick in that round...

Net will prompt you when it's your turn to make your next pick and you have 48 hours from the time of the prompt (although I'm gathering that people like it if you're quicker than that ;) ) ...you can either keep checking the board, or indicate in your profile that you want to be emailed when someone responds to the topic...

does that help? :)

[Yogi#8Fan]

Luna, that sounds great. What I'm uncertain of is if there's any particular position we must pick in any order. For 6th pick, I can take a LF or 2B or any other position?

I'll check the boards every day so no problem. I'm just going to have to this whole thing slowly since fantasy games were never anything I'd done before, as mentioned earlier.

Now I'm wondering why I'm even up at this weird hour online when I could be out enjoying myself. Hmmm.

[BuzzBuzzard]

You can pick any player at any time. Rounds of the draft are no position specific. A player can only be picked once, though, so Mex's pick of Ruth, regardless of where she chooses to play him makes Ruth unavailable to any other team.

[NetShrine]

Luna, Buzz - - thanks for helping on this one.

Yogi - a little late in the game for questioning the rules. Did you not read them over before agreeing to play? :confuse:

[nightal]

Count me in.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by nightal
Count me in.

Nightal - - welcome to the forum!
Sorry to report we have already started this contest. I'm sure we'll do something like it again. Keep looking for it.

[nightal]

Always a day late and dollar short!

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by nightal
Always a day late and dollar short!

You could help me out with my picks. I could really use the help and we could share the team. Walter Johnson is our pitcher.

Based on your name I assume that you are an insomniac like me. Use the private messaging, these stat guys do not need your help but I do!:p

Net, this o.k., right?

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by hmrsf
Net, this o.k., right?

You can work together. Just let me know if you decide to do it. Thanks.

[nightal]

I'm always up all night, either working or can't sleep. Fill me in on all of this, I just joined the list last night. I'm a hard core Cardinal fan and Yankee hater.

[hmrsf]

at the bottom of the blue home screen.:p


Net, I will get back to you if this will work. Sounds good so far. And since this is surviour style, maybe I will get the friendly points.:hscheer: :angel:

the new smiles are nice...........some i can not use but others will like.......please don't get rid of my favorite:p

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
You can pick any player at any time. Rounds of the draft are no position specific. A player can only be picked once, though, so Mex's pick of Ruth, regardless of where she chooses to play him makes Ruth unavailable to any other team. Gotcha.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by NetShrine
Luna, Buzz - - thanks for helping on this one.

Yogi - a little late in the game for questioning the rules. Did you not read them over before agreeing to play? :confuse: I'll just wait until it's my turn to pick again then I'll make that next pick. I have the gist of everything so don't worry.

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I'll just wait until it's my turn to pick again then I'll make that next pick. I have the gist of everything so don't worry.

Dude - it's BEEN your turn for almost 2 days now - - see the draft thread.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by nightal
I'm always up all night, either working or can't sleep. Fill me in on all of this, I just joined the list last night. I'm a hard core Cardinal fan and Yankee hater. Since when do Cards fans become Yankee haters? I'm wondering if Throwback feels the same way. Any other teams you hate? :etongue::):p

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by NetShrine
Dude - it's BEEN your turn for almost 2 days now - - see the draft thread. I just made my pick. I'll check back again to make sure all's clear on this one. I have alternates if not.

[nightal]

Old habits die hard, just the way I can't stomach the Lakers or Forty-Niners. If your looking for a National League team I dislike, it would be any team Bonds is on.

[Yogi#8Fan]

I figure you're not much of a Michael Jordan fan either? What did Joe Montana or Barry Bonds ever do to you? :aowt:

[nightal]

Montana to Dwight Clark etc.(I'm a Cowboy Fan)
Bonds(73 with an attitude), McGwire(70 and a hero)

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by nightal
Montana to Dwight Clark etc.(I'm a Cowboy Fan)
Bonds(73 with an attitude), McGwire(70 and a hero) My SB picks have never come through (Titans in 00, then the Giants in 00), but I do remember when people doubted whether or not Terry Bradshaw could win the SB. He did it 4 times so no more doubters. Me thinks at least that was the storyline from the mid to late 70s.

Sad to say I haven't kept up with the Boys but they were called America's team some time ago. I do remember the Cheerleaders movie but that's a bit :topic:.

I liked Mark and Sammy. They both gave it their all in a fantastic 98 year. 70 from Mark, perfect game from Boomer. 66 from Sammy, 125 from the Yankees. What could be better?

[Throwback]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
Since when do Cards fans become Yankee haters? I'm wondering if Throwback feels the same way. Any other teams you hate? :etongue::):p

I do hate the Yankees, actually. Not so much the pre-70s Yankees, but the Steinbrenner Yanks I can't stand.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Throwback
I do hate the Yankees, actually. Not so much the pre-70s Yankees, but the Steinbrenner Yanks I can't stand. I figured I'd lure you down here. Curious, why Steinbrenner? If I hear the word "bought" one more time.......

[nightal]

The George era Yankees are, on the whole, hard to like. I just always have had a problem with their (and the press') "god" mentality. DiMaggio is baseball's all time most overrated player. Now, before I get hammered, he was a fine all-around ballplayer, but, come on now, better than Williams? no, Musial? no, Mantle on two good legs? no. any on and on...... I got so sick when they had to add Musial to the all-century team (along with Wagner and Grove) because people as a whole are largely misled by the press. Rose-all century-no Griffey-all century(ahead of Bonds????)-no. I love Brooks Robinson, but ahead of Brett and Mathews-no. I could go on and on but I'm now off the subject

[Throwback]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
Curious, why Steinbrenner? If I hear the word "bought" one more time.......

Allow me to change the terminology to "purchased," then. I don't hate Steinbrenner personally, it's the system that I begrudge, and I begrudge the Yankees their success because it has been largely as a benifit of that system (Specifically, no salary cap). I like the 50s-60s and 20s-30s era Yankee teams because they were greatly successful and were more or less on the same competitive level as the majority of the other teams in the league, and won their championships with quality front offices, rather than pure cash. Plus, the Birds beat them more than a couple times ('26, '42, '64). :)

[Throwback]

Although I'm not too happy about Steinbrenner's changes of Yankee Stadium or his wish to move out of it, but that's just an owner being an owner, I guess.

[Throwback]

Originally posted by nightal
Rose-all century-no Griffey-all century(ahead of Bonds????)-no.

Not to mention Rose over Jackson, if we're talking banned players.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by nightal
The George era Yankees are, on the whole, hard to like. I just always have had a problem with their (and the press') "god" mentality. DiMaggio is baseball's all time most overrated player. Now, before I get hammered, he was a fine all-around ballplayer, but, come on now, better than Williams? no, Musial? no, Mantle on two good legs? no. any on and on...... I got so sick when they had to add Musial to the all-century team (along with Wagner and Grove) because people as a whole are largely misled by the press. Rose-all century-no Griffey-all century(ahead of Bonds????)-no. I love Brooks Robinson, but ahead of Brett and Mathews-no. I could go on and on but I'm now off the subject I was actually hoping you'd elaborate on your thoughts. Yes, I love the Yankees but no one could possibly take anything away from Ted Williams.

I don't usually speak with NL fans other than many Mets I know offline, since I focus primarily on the Yanks and other AL teams. For both yourself and Throwback, who both seem to know the game well and are obviously passionate about your own team, don't worry about the insult. Let me know how you feel and please, elaborate, I'm looking for more details. I love the Yanks but there are many other greats out there. (Won't give away too many, per the contest of naming favorite players).

[hmrsf]

would you have watched the soxs in the playoffs? Would you have been blown away by Nomars catch? Sitting in the stands would you have been pulling for Cones perfect game in your home park? I am really curious.:p

[Throwback]

I'd like to elaborate more, but I've pretty much explained as fully as I know how my reason for disliking the Yanks. If you give me a word requirement, I can add some unnecessary fluff to make it longer. :)

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by hmrsf
would you have watched the soxs in the playoffs? Would you have been blown away by Nomars catch? Sitting in the stands would you have been pulling for Cones perfect game in your home park? I am really curious.:p I guess this is a different subject, since we were earlier discussing Steinbrenner's methods of acquiring players.

I was watching a videotape of the 1956 WS (NYY vs BRO) and there was an ad for greatest plays. In it was one of the most athletic shortstops I've ever loved watching. The Cards' own Ozzie, the Wizard they used to call him? I loved watching that guy? I've always given credit to Brooklyn, the NY Giants, I'll give credit to Seaver, anyone else. I gave credit to Ted Williams.

I happen to like anyone who plays a great game, even if it's an opposing team. Who wants to see their team make great plays and the opponents just sit down and relax?

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Throwback
I'd like to elaborate more, but I've pretty much explained as fully as I know how my reason for disliking the Yanks. If you give me a word requirement, I can add some unnecessary fluff to make it longer. :) So if I required you to elaborate some more, would you? Tell me about the trades, players, media, whatever you didn't like and why. Please.

[hmrsf]

I was just curious on your take on a situation. For example, I was at Mooses near nohitter at Fenway. It was a great game! I was sitting next 2 Yankee fans. They were awsome! i would not have Jinxed Moosey and they were blown away by Cone. The other night, I jumped out of my bed and landed hard on the floor over Jeters catch.

I was wondering, could you feel that for another team. Maybe, I asked because you seem to be more well rounded.

[Yogi#8Fan]

hmrsf, I would NOT be pulling for any opposing pitcher going for a perfect game in Yankee Stadium. I have to draw the line somewhere and that's where I'll draw it. Cone said himself he was halfway pulling for and against it, so it would mean he'd be the first pitcher on both ends of a perfect game had Carl not gotten a hit to LF somewhere. :mad:

[hmrsf]

vote is in......I am way wacked! I did not want my team to lose. It was just a weird night, had a magical feel.


Never saw a perfect game from pitching seats live. It was . .sad someone lost it.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by hmrsf
I was just curious on your take on a situation. For example, I was at Mooses near nohitter at Fenway. It was a great game! I was sitting next 2 Yankee fans. They were awsome! i would not have Jinxed Moosey and they were blown away by Cone. The other night, I jumped out of my bed and landed hard on the floor over Jeters catch.

I was wondering, could you feel that for another team. Maybe, I asked because you seem to be more well rounded. I actually know of 2 Yankee fans in the Boston area and two several others in Queens, one even in Flushing.

That was definitely a pitcher's duel if ever there was one. I very much liked the one fought by Pedro and Orlando but that was a classic. Cone coming out for the 9th inning was great, he showed he had his stuff, knew the importance of the game, especially when the crowd cheered him on. Since he'd done only 5 or 6 innings most of the season, this was an improvement.

Lots of plays by top fielders. Jete's was a beaut but I've been hearing great things about Miker Cameron's glovework, who's playing our Yankees and hit 8 RBIs at Yankee Stadium off Andy Pettitte. I hate seeing it happen but I give credit to whoever has earned it.

More well rounded? You mean like Cecil Fielder? Why thank you. :rolleyes:

[Yogi#8Fan]

That was probably the only time Carl would ever get a standing O at Fenway in awhile. If JK has ever done anything wise, it was getting him to PH. He hadn't done much in a few games but good gamble.

[hmrsf]

no I ment, you seem to be someone who can enjoy the whole picture and still be loyal to your team. Not Guapoish at all, but that was funny.:p

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
That was probably the only time Carl would ever get a standing O at Fenway in awhile. If JK has ever done anything wise, it was getting him to PH. He hadn't done much in a few games but good gamble.

That was an odd point in the game. Yes, cheers for the hit, hats off for Moose and hope to win. Weird night. Only losing ticket stub in my baseball shrine.

[Yogi#8Fan]

I haven't enjoyed the whole picture in awhile. Probably the coke bottle specs. I just do my best to size up what's in front of me and that's it.

[satchel]

Originally posted by hmrsf
no I ment, you seem to be someone who can enjoy the whole picture and still be loyal to your team. Not Guapoish at all, but that was funny.:p

hmrsf, I think you'll find that (occasional trash talking aside) most of the regular contributors to this board are baseball fans first, and fans of their team second. At least, that's been my experience. The plurality are Yankee fans, but it's not bronx-bombers.com.

(That doesn't imply that everyone would like to see his team be on the receiving end of a perfecto, for history's sake; that's a very personal choice that a fan can probably make only when faced with the situation, as you were.)

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by satchel
I think you'll find that (occasional trash talking aside) most of the regular contributors to this board are baseball fans first, and fans of their team second. At least, that's been my experience.

Glad you see it that way Satch - - 'cause that's they way it should be! :cool:

[Throwback]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
So if I required you to elaborate some more, would you? Tell me about the trades, players, media, whatever you didn't like and why. Please.

I do not hate any particular player for the Yanks or any specific trade in and of itself. It's just the overall competitive advantage they enjoy that makes me dislike them as a team/organization. Granted, though, there are teams (Orioles, Rangers) who enjoy similar competitive advantages but squander them. I do have to give the Yankees credit for not botching their situation, but that's about it. I do dislike the extra media coverage the Yankees get, now that you mention it. That's the kind of thing that gets guys like Jeter overrated (he's a good ballplayer, but not as good as A-Rod or Nomar), guys like Dimaggio voted MVP over Williams in '41, and guys like Combs in the hall of fame when say, Carl Mays, who had one bad game that cost the Yankees a series and did his best work in Boston, is much better qualified but to this day is not enshrined.

[Throwback]

Also, on the subject of New York players given a preferential shot at the hall of fame, how about NY Giant Ross Youngs?

[NetShrine]

:topic:

Any chance I can talk you guys into starting a new thread for this debate? :beg:

[Throwback]

Net, you're asking us to do extra work, here:mad: . I must amend my previous statement to acknowledge that previous teams, like the McGraw Giants, have had similar salary disparities in their favor, but the reserve clause kept home grown prospects largely on their own team (ie- the Branch Rickey Cardinals). Were this the case today, the Expos would probably be on a par with the Yankees, so it wasn't as important or as prohibitive an edge in the old days as long as you had a solid farm system.

[Throwback]

That said, I'll go out of my way and start a new thread, in hot baseball chatter, that is entitled: Yankees, money, etc. Happy now, Net?:stick:

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by nyy26wc
I'm thinking of running an all time greatest team ever tournament, featuring every championship team since the start of the 20th century.

Lee!

MLB stole your idea!
See: http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/simseries/mlb_simseries_index.jsp?GXHC_gx_session_id_=eba0c4 f7a5541525

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve


Lee!

MLB stole your idea!
See: http://www.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/mlb/subscriptions/simseries/mlb_simseries_index.jsp?GXHC_gx_session_id_=eba0c4 f7a5541525

Just saw now that they had the 84 Padres beat the 61 Yankees in a series. What kind of contest is this?