Canseco Still Wants To Play [Archive] - NetShrine Discussion Forum

Duque

01-02-2003, 04:20 PM

If Canseco goes forward with his plans to become an actor, he will make Steven Seagal look like Robert DeNiro.

That said, his OPS has been in the low 800s the last two years he played - that's not half bad for a DH.

Fuzzy Bear

01-02-2003, 07:17 PM

Canseco's been hurt a lot. The year off may have done him some good to let him rest his hurts. As a general rule, I'm not enthusiastic about players who have taken a year off, however.

I think that the Braves could use him as a platoon 1B/LF. I think Canseco could get to 500 if he were to accept the role of a platoon regular, hitting against lefties and lesser righties.

I think that the Mets could use him as well.

The key to Canseco continuing his career is (A) shutting his mouth and (B) accepting a reduced role. It's a long way to 500 for Canseco, at this point, but he CAN still contribute if he is willing to subordinate his ego. (Of course, his subordination abilities are in deep question!:D )

KCBOOMER

01-03-2003, 09:44 AM

Hey, we'll take Canseco here in KC!!!! Of course, we want him for the T-Bones, KC's new entry into the Northern League!

What a great name: T-BONES!!! We plan on calling them the "Boners".

sweaver

01-03-2003, 10:12 AM

Originally posted by Fuzzy Bear
I think that the Braves could use him as a platoon 1B/LF. I think Canseco could get to 500 if he were to accept the role of a platoon regular, hitting against lefties and lesser righties.
Canseco at 1B is a scary thought. Or an amusing one, depending on your point of view. That would be a case where a 1B's defense could seriously hurt you.

boot2112

01-03-2003, 03:25 PM

I think Jose still has some offensive game. When he was last with the White Sox he still had very respectable numbers and was a good team member and club house guy. I think a lot has changed with the book rumors but I think if he was given a chance he would play hard and shut his mouth. The reason the whole book story started is because Jose felt he was being blackballed; and he might be right. A few of the small market teams could use a Canseco in the line up and as a draw at the gate. KC, Detroit, Mil, Montreal, and others certianly could find 350 ABs for a Canseco.

OaktownTribeFan

01-05-2003, 12:08 AM

IF he can still hit, he might find a job. But he didn't show much with the Chisox last year.

And MLB still has a problem with anybody who's writing a book. I don't agree with them--the most enjoyable books were written by active players, such as Brosnan's Long Season and Bouton's book. But the old school rule is still enforced:
"What you see here, let it stay here." It's unfortunate, but still true today.

gyb13

01-06-2003, 02:43 PM

FWIW, Canseco has had an OPS better than league average every season of his career. He's also had a positive RCAA in every season but 93 and 97.

TGwynn19

01-07-2003, 06:48 AM

If Canseco gets 200 PA in the bigs in 2003 I will push a peanut with my nose from Naples to the NetShrine WHQ.

Max Power

01-07-2003, 06:55 AM

Originally posted by TGwynn19
If Canseco gets 200 PA in the bigs in 2003 I will push a peanut with my nose from Naples to the NetShrine WHQ.

I like a guy willing to put his nose where his mouth is! Wait, that doesn't sound right.......

BigJon

01-12-2003, 03:13 PM

The following teams could use Canseco in the state he probably is in:

Pirate
Royals
Orioles
Braves (If he can play 1st, move Chipper to 3rd and Fick to left)
Expos (If he can play first)
Marlins
Brewers
Giants
Rockies

Fuzzy Bear

01-17-2003, 03:18 PM

Originally posted by BigJon
The following teams could use Canseco in the state he probably is in:

Pirate
Royals
Orioles
Braves (If he can play 1st, move Chipper to 3rd and Fick to left)
Expos (If he can play first)
Marlins
Brewers
Giants
Rockies

I agree! And I also think that none of these teams have any business whining about any defensive shortcomings Canseco may bring.

HE STANDS AN EXCELLENT CHANCE OF BEING BETTER THAN WHAT THEY HAVE!

JamesI

01-17-2003, 04:49 PM

Originally posted by BigJon
The following teams could use Canseco in the state he probably is in:

Pirate
Royals
Orioles
Braves (If he can play 1st, move Chipper to 3rd and Fick to left)
Expos (If he can play first)
Marlins
Brewers
Giants
Rockies

I disagree. The Orioles, Royals, Pirates, Brewers, Rockies, Marlins will all not contend with or without Canseco. Might as well play the youngsters and see if they are any good.

The Expos, Braves and Giants, maybe (although an American League team would be better)

poorme

01-17-2003, 04:56 PM

he was borderline done a few years ago. i think he COULD have played over the past 5 years, but he's probably done now.

LisaG

01-18-2003, 08:26 PM

he certainly could help the drays or the royals. he never could catch the ball worth a darn, so i could certainly not see him on a nl team. he probably was blackballed. and he will be if that book is published. i guess it used to be that the players didn't want real books (not those ghostwritten pieces of puerile pap) written because they didn't want the fans to know that they were interesting people with human weaknesses, not "heroes." now the players don't want books published because they don't want the fans to know that they are people with human weaknesses and human personalities, not autamatons who just happen to get millions for playing ball.

LeGrandOrange

01-19-2003, 10:16 AM

The Expos released him last year, I don't think he'd want to play for them.

I'm surprised the Rays don't make another offer to him to be quite honestly. I don't SERIOUSLY expect Greg Vaughn to return to form, he's darn near finished. Besides, signing Canseco makes him their best power hitter. :)

I just wanna see Canseco play anywhere, even if it's a slow-pitch league. I missed him last season. And I don't care what Gammons or everyone else that bashes him has to say about him.

Golden Bear

01-20-2003, 04:28 AM

The Giants could do worse than sign Canseco for the league minimum with incentives, stick him in RF, and hope for the best.

Boy, that's a big RF for him to butcher in Pac Bell* though; I think they'll need to play Grissom in CF and shade him toward Canseco -- putting strain on Bonds in LF, who's lost a lot of range since he bulked up.

No idea if Alou would even be amenable to trying to handle him, or how Bonds would feel about the move. But they could use a big bat behind Bonds in the lineup, and if they think Canseco is healthy, still has his skills, can coexist in the clubhouse, and won't kill them in RF, he's got a shot.

That's an awful lot of ifs, though. But right now their other option in RF seems to be Marvin Benard, so there's not much to lose.

*Pac Bell Park will have a new name next year, because SBC has dropped the Pacific Bell brand. It's not yet announced what they'll call it; SBC Park strikes me as pretty lame.

Fuzzy Bear

01-21-2003, 07:31 PM

Originally posted by Golden Bear
The Giants could do worse than sign Canseco for the league minimum with incentives, stick him in RF, and hope for the best.

Boy, that's a big RF for him to butcher in Pac Bell* though; I think they'll need to play Grissom in CF and shade him toward Canseco -- putting strain on Bonds in LF, who's lost a lot of range since he bulked up.

I think Canseco can play the field, but not a position that will require a lot of throwing.

LF and 1B are probably better bets.

I am coming to the view that Canseco will NOT be back this year. Canseco has needed to adjust to the role of NOT being a star. He has not done that well. I think that this gets in the way of him fitting in well, wherever he goes.

One team that Canseco would be happy on, if he were playing, would by the St. Louis Cardinals, where Canseco would be reunited with He-Who-Cannot-Be-Named. Perhaps he'd feel young all over. However, unless J. D. Drew goes down in S. T., it's hard to see Canseco getting 200 ABs in St. Louis, and I doubt he's coming back for any other reason except to get his 500 jacks.

Fuzzy Bear

01-21-2003, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by JamesI
I disagree. The Orioles, Royals, Pirates, Brewers, Rockies, Marlins will all not contend with or without Canseco. Might as well play the youngsters and see if they are any good.

A weaker team could do well to play Canseco. It really won't hurt a "youth movement" to keep a young guy in AAA until the middle of June, at which time a hot Canseco can be dealt to a contender with an injury hole, or a cold Canseco can be told to hit the pine. If Canseco has 15 HRs in June, some contender will overpay for him for the rest of the year, and the weaker team can add a young player to it's talent base.

pwdennis

01-24-2003, 01:25 PM

Originally posted by Fuzzy Bear
A weaker team could do well to play Canseco. It really won't hurt a "youth movement" to keep a young guy in AAA until the middle of June, at which time a hot Canseco can be dealt to a contender with an injury hole, or a cold Canseco can be told to hit the pine. If Canseco has 15 HRs in June, some contender will overpay for him for the rest of the year, and the weaker team can add a young player to it's talent base.

Well stated

NickG

01-25-2003, 03:21 PM

On that note, why wouldn't somebody like the Royals give him $1 million to be a DH, even if it is for half a season? He's far better than anybody else they have to fill that spot, even in his deteriorated state, and he has the added benefit of (at least potentially) drawing some extra fans to the ballpark. The youngsters have a lot to gain from watching him hit, too.

Nobody has anything to lose, really. So why isn't this happening?

Golden Bear

01-25-2003, 06:21 PM

Well, there's the concern that the youngsters might learn as many bad habits from him as good ones.

He's also presumably off the steroids now, so it remains to be seen how that will impact his performance and durability.

NickG

01-25-2003, 06:34 PM

I heard nothing negative about Canseco during his time with the White Sox or the Expos, except for the fact that someone would need to pull a Ruben Rivera for the good of the team.

Golden Bear

01-25-2003, 06:41 PM

Not saying that would happen, just that it would be a concern.

Fact is, Canseco has been a pretty good citizen and teammate at least since his Toronto tour of duty, but he does have a pretty checkered past. Plus, he got in that brawl in Miami with his brother just this past winter, I think.

He might be a distraction, that's all. It's just one more element of risk you wouldn't have with a mellower type, say Edgar Martinez or Harold Baines.

I wasn't arguing against acquiring Canseco, just pointing out one more things for suitors to worry about.

Fuzzy Bear

01-27-2003, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by NickG
On that note, why wouldn't somebody like the Royals give him $1 million to be a DH, even if it is for half a season? He's far better than anybody else they have to fill that spot, even in his deteriorated state, and he has the added benefit of (at least potentially) drawing some extra fans to the ballpark. The youngsters have a lot to gain from watching him hit, too.

Nobody has anything to lose, really. So why isn't this happening?

Probably because the Royals aren't imaginative. They can't imagine Canseco getting hot, then dealing him to a contender for more than he's worth.

LisaG

02-04-2003, 06:57 PM

fuzzy is right. the poor royals fans.

Max Power

02-14-2003, 07:11 PM

This is really going to help his case:

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0214/1509019.html

MIAMI -- An arrest warrant was issued for former baseball star Jose Canseco on Friday for violating his probation stemming from a nightclub brawl.

Circuit Judge Leonard E. Glick issued the warrant after being told Canseco has failed to begin community service, take anger control classes and not leave Florida for longer than 30 days. Those were among the conditions of his probation, as well as the payment of court costs and sending monthly reports.

"The subject does not appear to take probation seriously,'' probation officer Ileana Ortiz told Glick in a report. Ortiz said Canseco has been in Los Angeles since Dec. 20.

Golden Bear

02-14-2003, 07:17 PM

It's about time to relegate Canseco to the hopeless case category. He needs to get his life straightened out; baseball will have to wait. But at 38-1/2 years old, with his injury history, past dependence on steroids, and having been out of the game for a year already, baseball can't wait another minute if he's going to try to continue his comeback.

His career is over. No one wants the headache of signing him at this point.

Let's just hope he can redirect his life so he can avoid being another tragedy.

sweaver

02-15-2003, 04:06 PM

Jose Canseco is a guy in serious need of some reality therapy.

gyb13

02-18-2003, 10:00 PM

the only team for which he'll be playing, for now, are the Inmates:
http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0218/1510704.html

Max Power

02-18-2003, 10:14 PM

So many these days wanting to do the Bizarro LeFlore...........

JamesI

02-19-2003, 06:55 AM

Bet teams are lining up to sign him now!

Max Power

02-19-2003, 07:01 AM

Originally posted by JamesI
Bet teams are lining up to sign him now!

He may have people lining up behind him in jail, but, I doubt it's to sign him............

KCBOOMER

02-19-2003, 10:01 AM

Well if Charlie Sheen can make it to the bigs from the California Penal League I guess Jose can make from the Florida Penal League.

LisaG

02-20-2003, 07:39 PM

ooooooooooooohhh steve, that was cold

Golden Bear

03-20-2003, 04:08 AM

Think Jose can get the Marlins to build a new ballpark in his backyard?

If there was any remaining doubt about Canseco's career being over, this ends it.

He really screwed up to have the law come down on him this hard; probation officers will take a fair amount of guff before they recycle a guy back into the system and tell the judge to do their worst.

Canseco never reached his potential, and he knows it. That's one of the many things he has to live with now for the remainder of his days.

I suppose he needs to learn how to buy groceries online, too. That'll keep him busy for awhile.

Maybe he'll even write part of his book himself? (Yeah, sure, right after I'm crowned King of England.)

Skip

03-20-2003, 07:11 AM

Originally posted by Golden Bear
(Yeah, sure, right after I'm crowned King of England.) Hey, if it can happen for John Goodman, it can bloody well happen for you GB. Always look on the bright side of life.

gyb13

04-15-2003, 06:23 PM

how sad is this??? :rolleyes::loud:
http://espn.go.com/sportsbusiness/news/2003/0415/1539387.html
http://www.josecanseco.com

you can bid at his site for the honor of spending a day with him... i'm surprised they don't have a photo of the ball bouncing off his head in the pic gallery....

Fuzzy Bear

04-15-2003, 07:20 PM

Originally posted by Golden Bear
Canseco never reached his potential, and he knows it. That's one of the many things he has to live with now for the remainder of his days.

I don't agree that Canseco never reached his potential. He was the first 40-40 man. From 1988-90, he was, IMO, the best player in the American League.

That he couldn't sustain his level of greatmess is another matter.

sweaver

04-15-2003, 09:39 PM

Originally posted by Fuzzy Bear
That he couldn't sustain his level of greatmess Freudian slip, FB?

LisaG

04-15-2003, 09:43 PM

yeah, too bad he did drugs. another waste, like strawberry. what a shame. i wonder when he did start shooting up- wonder if it coincides with his general decline.
hard to believe that after earning all those millions he has to sell his time. guess he spent it on drugs, cars and chicks.

Skip

04-15-2003, 11:30 PM

I think it's silly to compare Canseco and Strawberry. Sorry LisaG, but that's apples and oysters to me.

Golden Bear

04-15-2003, 11:37 PM

Originally posted by Fuzzy Bear
I don't agree that Canseco never reached his potential. He was the first 40-40 man. From 1988-90, he was, IMO, the best player in the American League.

That he couldn't sustain his level of greatmess is another matter.

I'll take sustain his greatness as a friendly amendment. Canseco was truly all that and a bag of chips in 1988.

SmedIndy

05-08-2003, 10:30 AM

Blackballed????

RIIIIIIIIGHT! Jose - shaddap!

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2003/0507/1550632.html

sweaver

05-08-2003, 11:32 AM

Well, sure, if everyone having the opinion that his current talent level isn't worth the trouble to have on your team, then I guess he's blackballed.

OaktownTribeFan

05-08-2003, 11:44 AM

One of the players to tell me that I was being blackballed, to me, is the greatest player in the world, Alex Rodriguez. All the athletes know why I am out of the game, it's an internal thing, it's kept in the family."

In a related story, the baseball that conked Canseco on the head in a 1993 game between the Rangers and Indians, is claiming that it was smudged and conspired against and that no one will employ it at a major league level.

OaktownTribeFan

05-08-2003, 11:46 AM

BTW, where's that book that Canseco claimed he was writing?

TimmyB

05-08-2003, 11:59 AM

This just in!

Despite the well-reported dearth of pitching in the bigs, no team has shown any interest in lefty Warren Spahn, despite his proven track record of big league success.

(Gee whiz, Jose, know when to say "when").

JamesI

05-08-2003, 12:21 PM

Originally posted by sweaver
Well, sure, if everyone having the opinion that his current talent level isn't worth the trouble to have on your team, then I guess he's blackballed.

With Rickey unable to get a job, how does Jose think anyone will want him?