Is there ever a tie in baseball?

[Yogi#8Fan]

Today's Yankee-Baltimore game was called as a tie. How does this affect the record, since to my knowledge, a tie or draw in baseball isn't even acknowledged on the records.

I'd also like to know if the games are made up or people only see a total of 161 games being counted in the won-lost record.

[NetShrine]

It's happened before - - stats count for the players, but, for the standings, it's like the game was never played. Usually, rain has something to do with it.

[Yogi#8Fan]

So it'll seem like 161 games were played like the 2000 season (87-74)? I was wondering if the game were made up from the same inning. I've never heard of a game ending in a tie, but you're right, the weather was getting mighty soggy. :rolleyes:

[NetShrine]

Heard tonight that, if this game (as does a make-up v. Bosox) means anything to Yanks (i.e., better record than Indians) then it will be made up from the start - as opposed to picking it up where it left off.

[BuzzBuzzard]

Being a conspirator at heart, how much you wanna bet this was intentional? Make it mean something to the Yanks and bring back Ripken for his last game like it was originally scheduled.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Buzz, the only conspiracy at Yankee Stadium was when Rocketman couldn't get win no. 20 against the Red Sox. As expected, that was also due to a rainout.

As far as having a better record than the Indians, the surprise flip side of this would be some Yankee fans hoping to have a lesser record, since some would prefer facing Seattle in DS and hopefully winning, then facing A's or even better, Cleveland in the CS. No one can say Torre asked for Mother Nature's help.

[mainsr]

In 1967, the Twins were 91-71. Cesar Tovar played 164 games that year. In 1965, the Cubs were 72-90. Billy Williams and Ron Santo played 164 games each. I guess I never realized that ties stood and weren't continued from the point at which they stop.

[NetShrine]

I think Maury Wills holds the record for most games played in a season - - but, he got it due to a three game playoff (play-in?) and those games count as "regular season."

[nyy26wc]

Earlier in baseball history, ties were much more frequent than they are today.

Without having lights, many games were called early because of darkness and any long rain delay pretty much guaranteed that you can't get 9 innings in. When you call more games early, it's inevitable that some of those games are going have tie scores. Also, not having lights took away the possibility of some extra inning games continuing.

Meanwhile, the rules say that a tie game is to be made up, if at all possible, just like a rain out. But, all personal stats in a tie game count.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by mainsr
In 1967, the Twins were 91-71. Cesar Tovar played 164 games that year. In 1965, the Cubs were 72-90. Billy Williams and Ron Santo played 164 games each. I guess I never realized that ties stood and weren't continued from the point at which they stop. You mean people actually played every single game in a season and the two tie games also? I always thought that reliable position players went around 140-155 games at most. Injuries these days would tend to bring this number to the lower end, so thank stretching for a greater number of games.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Lee, other than darkness in the past and rainouts, what other reasons were games called? If a game goes 20 innings, has anyone just said enough is enough and decided to call the game since no one could score? Strange question but I had to ask.

Two more questions. When there's a 1 game WC playoff, could that ever get called? I'm also curious if any postseason game has ever been called. This thread got the clockwork in gear.

[Yogi#8Fan]

I got this article which says the Yankees don't need to make up those games, so at least that aspect is out of the picture.

http://espn.go.com/mlb/news/2001/1001/1257871.html

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I'm also curious if any postseason game has ever been called. This thread got the clockwork in gear.

Game 1 of the 1907 WS, 10/8/07, was called after 12 inn., with the scored tied 3-3, due to darkness.

[95mph]

whew that was some game...too many almost victory scenarios.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by NetShrine
Game 1 of the 1907 WS, 10/8/07, was called after 12 inn., with the scored tied 3-3, due to darkness.Game 2 in both 1912 and 1922 (http://www.baseballreference.com/postseason/) also ended in a tie. I don't know if it was weather or darkness. If they ever call game 7 I'll scream bloody murder. ;)

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by 95mph
whew that was some game...too many almost victory scenarios.

Which one? 1907 or last Sunday? :D

[nyy26wc]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
Lee, other than darkness in the past and rainouts, what other reasons were games called? If a game goes 20 innings, has anyone just said enough is enough and decided to call the game since no one could score? Strange question but I had to ask.



Other than darkness and rain, I can't think of any other reasons why games were called in the middle.

[nyy26wc]

The 1907, 1912 and 1922 World Series games were all called due to darkness.

Other than those 3 tie games, there was never any postseason game that became official, but was called before it went at least 9 innings.

Also, off the top of my head, I can't even think of any example where a postseason game started and was called prior to it becoming official. I believe every postseason rainout involved games that were called before they ever started to play.

[NetShrine]

Post season = big gates. Owners don't like to give back $. They'd play through a hurricane, the total dark, or sub-zero degrees first.

[nyy26wc]

In '22, there was a near riot when Landis called the game. There was about half hour-45 minutes worth of daylight remaining and he was quickly accused of calling the game the give the owners another gate.

Landis then donated all of the money from the tie game to charity.

[ChrisCary]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Being a conspirator at heart, how much you wanna bet this was intentional? Make it mean something to the Yanks and bring back Ripken for his last game like it was originally scheduled.

I thought the oppostie, that they let the game go so long so that Cal wouldn't have to come back to NY after The Yanks held Cal appreciation day and so that he can play his finale in front of the Baltimore fans

[ChrisCary]

Originally posted by nyy26wc


Other than darkness and rain, I can't think of any other reasons why games were called in the middle.

None for the curfew rule?
No inning to start after 1:00 AM

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by ChrisCary
None for the curfew rule?
No inning to start after 1:00 AM

I think they waive that for the playoffs. Or, did it almost come into play in 1995 in the Leyritz HR game?

[Throwback]

There were some old World Championship Series games between the NL and AA in the 1880s that ended in ties, and at least one or two series that finished that way, too. It wasn't the institution back then that it is now, naturally. I can't gather the years that these happened off the top of my head, but I know the Proto-Cardinal St. Louis Browns were involved in at least one of these incidents. I know one series, maybe it was 1882, ended in a tie because the Series wasn't sanctioned by the NL. The league president threatened to expel the proto-Cub Chicago White Stockings from the league if they continued to play. Cap Anson was willing to continue anyway, but Cincinatti of the AA decided not to play in the best interests of both teams. I'll get the exact years and situations posted in the fairly near future if nobody else does, after I check my books.

[Duque]

During WW2, were games ever called due to blackout restrictions?

[NetShrine]

Originally posted by Duque
During WW2, were games ever called due to blackout restrictions?

Good point - my Dad was just telling me the other day about how they used to paint the tops of their highlights black to avoid having the light visable from the sky.

[Yogi#8Fan]

So just when did the lights turn on in baseball? When did these games all start anyway? Most games I see now start between 1:05PM and 7:05PM local time.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Throwback
There were some old World Championship Series games between the NL and AA in the 1880s that ended in ties, and at least one or two series that finished that way, too. It wasn't the institution back then that it is now, naturally.I thought the World Series started in 1903. What was the World Championship Series?

[nyy26wc]

Originally posted by Duque
During WW2, were games ever called due to blackout restrictions?

Good question.

I don't know, but I would guess it had to happen at least once.

[nyy26wc]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
I thought the World Series started in 1903. What was the World Championship Series?

There were several different series played before the first modern day World Series--

From 1884-90, the champions of the National League and the American Association played in what was called the World Championship Series or World Series. They weren't big on official names back then.

In 1892, the National League had a split season, similar to what happened in 1981, minus a strike, and the champions of the first and second half met in a World Series.

From 1894-97, the NL's 1st and 2nd place teams played a series for the Temple Cup. It a trophy donated to the league by William C. Temple, a Pittsburgh sportsman.

In 1900, the NL's 1st and 2nd played teams played for a cilver cup, which was donated by the Pittsburgh Chornicle-Telegraph.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Lee, thank you for the information. I only know back to 1903 and that's it.

[hmrsf]

according to the Bosox media guide ('01)....The Red Sox hold the all-time major league record for most consective games without a tie game. The streak is 3,868 regular season games since the 4-4, 11 inning tie with the LA Angels at Fenway Park June 8, 1961, ended with a 1-1 tie vs. the White sox at Fenway called due to rain after 7 innings July 31,1985...Dave Sax' sac. fly in the 7th for the Red Sox tied the score....The game was called at 11:34 p.m......The Red Sox played 2,427 consecutive games without a tie entering the '01 season.:p



dirrect but awkward quote....pg 409