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cubfan33
07-24-2002, 11:52 PM
It's a late night edition and I'm working on some breaking behind the scenes stuff, so tonight will be short and sweet. So, that means no opinions on Seligula, on Don Fehr's comments that labor problems are "solvable," and nothing on President Bush. I will direct you to a great chat that Baseball Prospectus' Gary Huckaby had today, which included a question from yours truly. My one non-injury note is an invitation: On August 17th, not only is it Ben Sheets Bobblehead night at Victory Field in Indianapolis, it will be the annual UTK/Netshrine/Around The Majors get-together. If you're interested in attending, please contact me for more details and I will have things up on the website soon. This is your chance to meet myself and staff writer Rachael Reid as well as some of the characters from Netshrine. We'll also have several guests and will serve up some of the tastiest micro-brew in the Midwest. Better yet, Victory Field is perhaps the best stadium in baseball. No charge for the get-together, but you will need to buy a ticket to the game.

Doug Creek was sold to the Mariners for cash. Good for the Devil Rays, turning a replacement level player into something useful. I don't think this move is indicative of further problems in Tampa. If you want to worry about a team, look at San Diego. Majority owner John Moores is under investigation by the SEC for accounting irregularities. While he likely won't end up in handcuffs, like the owners of the Buffalo Sabres, the Padres may be a little cash poor in 2003. Is this a bad thing or will it help Kevin Towers get that team younger (and likely better) even faster? Don't be surprised to see Phil Nevin and Ryan Klesko on the market in the off-season.

Ted Lilly was placed on the DL with an inflamed pitching shoulder. Never good news, especially as the A's battle with the Mariners and Angels. Aaron Harang was called back from Sacramento to replace him. Beane is reportedly still working hard to add Brian Giles to his lineup and I wouldn't be surprised to see him grab a pitcher as well now, likely a fifth starter/swingman type. Lilly does not have a history of health problems or shoulder injury, so this is not as worrisome as many injuries. As well, he will be well protected by Rick Peterson.

Sean Casey, as mentioned last night, is suffering from a torn muscle in his shoulder and moves to the DL. Adam Dunn will fill in at first while Casey is out, while Brandon Larsen and Reggie Taylor will man left. Expect Larsen to see quite a bit of time out there, since he's often mentioned in trade rumors and showcasing him helps that cause.

Upstate, Jim Thome is also injured, scratched with recurrent back "stiffness." I emphasize stiffness to differentiate it from the former "spasms." While missing time is never good, this does show some progress in the injury. Losing Jimmy Warfield can't have helped that training room.

Mike Sweeney was finally placed on the DL, retroactive to July 15th. The wait seems wrong, but since the Royals have been winning and playing well, I'll call this one as no harm, no foul. There's no new news on Sweeney, but I'm still dubious of the oddly positive MRI report.

Midwestern first baseman, beware! (Someone check on Fred McGriff and Paul Konerko!) Tino Martinez left the Cards game tonight with back spasms and Albert Pujols moved over to first. Larussa indicated that Pujols will likely play there as long as Martinez is unavailable. I'm working my Cards sources for a better report on Martinez's condition.

I reported that Jorge Posada was hit by a foul ball. Thanks to all the readers that take the time to correct me. Posada was in fact hit by Milton Bradley's backswing. Worse, Bradley did nearly the same thing to Chris Widger later in the game. Bradley needs to fix that swing or he'll be dotted soon. Pitchers always take care of their catchers.

It was worse than expected for Jeff Zimmerman. The MRI he had is reported to show major structural damage and he will seek a second opinion from Lewis Yocum early next week. No confirmation yet from the Rangers, but the rumor is that Tommy John surgery is upcoming. If that occurs, write off another year for Zimmerman. Rangers fans have to be watching tonight's start by Kenny Rogers in Seattle closely. If Seattle is making a play for him, I don't see as good a package of prospects coming out of Seattle as was offered from Cincy.

Ok, ok I couldn't resist ... Al Leiter for 10 million a year at his age? It may work out, but if I'm the MLBPA it's tough to hear the owners cry poor and then sign checks for this kind of jack.

Bobby Estalella's season is done after shoulder surgery. Ben Petrick is still in left field for the Rockies. Ok, explain it to me, Clint. If I were Ivan Rodriguez, THIS is where I'd sign that one year deal.

Chris Richard is ready to return for the Orioles. Man, when the O's get him and Jeff Conine and David Segui back, look out ... they may give Toronto a run for third in that division next year!

Chad Hermanson is on the DL with a dishwashing injury. Harsh. It's listed as a staph infection, but the Red Sox medical staff denies that it's flesh eating bacteria. I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer for the first flesh eating bacteria listing, along with Mad Cow and Ebola. Sigh.

Brett Myers vs Mark Prior? Even to a Cubs fan like me, Myers - on this day - looked better. If he's available in your league, I'd love to join because he should have been snapped up quickly. (BTW, I am looking for an auction based, preferably live draft Scoresheet league for next year.)

The Brewers trade away Tyler Houston and open up a roster slot. Good. They call up Izzy Alcantra instead of Jimmy Rushford. Bad, unless the Brewers are expecting brawls in the near future. Actually, Izzy was a very nice guy when I met him, though I wish he'd had pants on at the time.

The Diamondbacks and Nippon Ham Fighters signed an agreement today to strengthen their relationship, starting with a player exchange for spring training. Great move by the D-Backs. I can remember when I was first starting to follow Japanese baseball that I spent weeks trying to figure out what a "Ham Fighter" was. Who knew that all Japanese teams were named for the companies that owned them and that Nippon Ham was Japan's Hormel. I used to have a list of what each company was, so if anyone happens to have this info, please email me. I know purists would go nuts, but I wouldn't mind the Budweiser Cardinals, Fox Dodgers, or Safeway Giants. Ok, Tribune Cubs might get to me, but no one complains about Wrigley Field.

Condolences to the family of LSU 3B Wally Pontiff. The 21 year old A's draftee was found dead this morning in suburban New Orleans. Any death of someone this young is tragedy, but let's hope he lived a good life in the time he had ... and remember to do the same each day in our own lives. With that, I'm out. As I said, I'm working on something and may have a special report sometime tomorrow. Otherwise, I'll see you tomorrow night.

padresfan19
07-25-2002, 04:51 AM
Originally posted by cubfan33

Don't be surprised to see Phil Nevin and Ryan Klesko on the market in the off-season.



This would be one unhappy Padres fan if they did put Nevin and Klesko on the market. They would have to get some stud position players in return, because while the Padres have lots of good arms in the minors, there is a serious lack of position playing prospects.

It is pretty clear that Nevin, Klesko, and Kotsay are meant to be the core of the team that moves into the new ballpark in 2004. Trading Nevin and/or Klesko would only serve to disillusion the fan base that has continued to come to games the last 4 years to see a non-contender. The Padres' stated goal is to be a contender when they move into the new park in 2004, and trading their two best players would keep that from happening.

Of course, that's easy for me to say. I don't have to pay the $16 million or so per year that Nevin and Klesko's contracts call for. If this SEC thing comes down hard on John Moores, it may be best for all concerned for him to do what he said he might do last week - sell the team.

Allard
07-25-2002, 09:33 AM
I hear you padresfan. I'm torn everyday as to whether KC should keep their best pitcher or trade for the prospects they desperately need. Call it a hunch, but I think if Towers got some good prospects out of either of these guys, he would be looking pretty wise 2 years from now. I like Klesko, but when I saw him play in KC a few weeks ago, he didn't impress me as much as the last 2 years.

Has there been any talk by the players union of nixing some of the Japanese signings in the next collective bargaining agreement? These are non-union players that are commanding a large percentage of team payroll. The fact that they negotiate these salaries before being members of the union surely gets their ire.

Will, what ever happened to your feature you were working on regarding contraction, and San Diego being the sixth team on the list? I was dying to read it, and it never came to be.

KCBOOMER
07-25-2002, 09:38 AM
Originally posted by cubfan33
[BMike Sweeney was finally placed on the DL, retroactive to July 15th. There's no new news on Sweeney, but I'm still dubious of the oddly positive MRI report. [/B]

This is getting ugly. I have the dire notion that we won't see Sweeney again this season.

CpUltravox
07-25-2002, 09:43 AM
Originally posted by cubfan33
Brett Myers vs Mark Prior? Even to a Cubs fan like me, Myers - on this day - looked better. If he's available in your league, I'd love to join because he should have been snapped up quickly. (BTW, I am looking for an auction based, preferably live draft Scoresheet league for next year.)

Do we have a league full of netshrine people? If not, perhaps we should.

By the way, I am very disappointed we won't get to see the Cablevision Indians vs. the Cablevision Red Sox.

soxfan121
07-25-2002, 11:31 AM
Originally posted by KCBOOMER


This is getting ugly. I have the dire notion that we won't see Sweeney again this season.

Is this necessarily a bad thing Boomer? If I'm a KC fan, I'm hoping Sweeney gets his back healthy as they will need him next season; this season is a lost cause (with the exception of developing more pitching) and having Mike rush back and potentially hurt himself worse is the worst possible scenario.

cubfan33
07-25-2002, 11:39 AM
Other than fantasy implications, why bring back Sweeney if he's not 100%? You have a known quantity in Sweeney and a lot of other unknown quantities in the minors. Here's a chance to break them in with no pressure.

On the Pads, I really disagree with the notion that the Pads don't have position prospects. Xavier Nady, Sean Burroughs, Jake Gautreau, Tagg Bozied, and several others at lower levels make up probably the deepest minor league system right now. If you're a Pads fan, you have a lot to look forward to - esp if ownership can get a new majority partner. Nothing against Moores' time in SD, but he's darn near broke at this stage. Paul Allen anyone?

padresfan19
07-25-2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by cubfan33
On the Pads, I really disagree with the notion that the Pads don't have position prospects. Xavier Nady, Sean Burroughs, Jake Gautreau, Tagg Bozied, and several others at lower levels make up probably the deepest minor league system right now.

Okay, perhaps I was a being overly critical when I said the Padres don't have position prospects(they just added Khalil Greene this year, too), but they would still need some in return for Nevin and Klesko. I worry about Nady's elbow and Gautreau's overall health (ulcerative colitis). Besides, there is no way the Padres will contend anytime soon if they rely solely on their current prospects and don't have any veteran, major league power hitters in the lineup.

soxfan121
07-25-2002, 04:20 PM
Klesko and Steve Reed to ANA for Casey Kotchman would be a great trade for the Pads and Angels.

I think any trade speculation around Nevin and Klesko would have to be financially motivated. I don't think they will move either guy, especially with the new park opening soon, but if Moores is in trouble, those two guys would be at the top of the list.

cubfan33
07-25-2002, 04:39 PM
I agree, Klesko and Nevin are solid, if a bit overpaid, and should stick around ... UNLESS they continue to use the press to snipe at Kevin Towers and Ted Simmons. I'd want a LOT more back than Kotchman for Klesko and Reed, but its that type of deal that could make economic and "chemistry" sense. How about Klesko to the Braves for Spooneybarger, Foster, and (to even out the money) Vinny Castilla?

cubfan33
07-25-2002, 04:40 PM
Hey Soxfan ... Youkilis in AA!

spitball
07-25-2002, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by soxfan121
Klesko and Steve Reed to ANA for Casey Kotchman would be a great trade for the Pads and Angels.

I think any trade speculation around Nevin and Klesko would have to be financially motivated. I don't think they will move either guy, especially with the new park opening soon, but if Moores is in trouble, those two guys would be at the top of the list. Kotchman is going to be an Angel for a long time. I don't want to see Klesko in an Angels uniform. Klesko's an O.K player but we already have an O.K. player at 1st base. And at least Speizio is a switch hitter and has a great glove.

Domeboys
07-25-2002, 09:22 PM
I do think Phillip Wrigley was a real person, wasn't he? Who was Joe Safeway, anyway?
Besides, think of the confusion if the Bud Cards played
their home games at Miller Field. This could screw up the
naming rights golden goose. BTW, I really hope you just brought
this up to be controversial, rather than because you are
serious...

Oh yeah, it is "Alcantara". Should have been looking at his jersey,
instead of his tools! ;-)

gyb13
07-25-2002, 11:04 PM
Originally posted by cubfan33
Chad Hermanson is on the DL with a dishwashing injury. Harsh. It's listed as a staph infection, but the Red Sox medical staff denies that it's flesh eating bacteria. I guess I'll have to wait a bit longer for the first flesh eating bacteria listing, along with Mad Cow and Ebola. Sigh.
you mean Dustin

soxfan121
07-25-2002, 11:08 PM
Maybe Chad Hermansen can pitch...Dustin sure can't.

SmedIndy
07-25-2002, 11:16 PM
Originally posted by Domeboys
I do think Phillip Wrigley was a real person, wasn't he?

Oh, he was a real person, all right.

He forced the Cubs to trade Bill Madlock...for totally incomprehensible reasons, except for maybe Archie Bunker.

cubfan33
07-25-2002, 11:28 PM
I've told you my painful memory of meeting Izzy ... don't make me revisit it, Smed!

And no, I know I'm alone, but I actually wouldn't mind the corporate names. It's partially my love for Yakyu and my recent discovery that signage was worse in the golden era of baseball, yet managed to seem quaint.

johnny
07-26-2002, 12:53 AM
Originally posted by KCBOOMER


This is getting ugly. I have the dire notion that we won't see Sweeney again this season.

That sucks.

KC, how is his contract set up, with the escape clauses?

Allard
07-26-2002, 10:35 AM
Originally posted by johnny


That sucks.

KC, how is his contract set up, with the escape clauses?

He has a 4 year extension after this year, option for the 5th (not sure which side). He can leave as a free agent after 2004 if the team doesn't finish over .500 in either 2003 or 2004.

johnny
07-26-2002, 11:28 AM
Originally posted by Allard


He has a 4 year extension after this year, option for the 5th (not sure which side). He can leave as a free agent after 2004 if the team doesn't finish over .500 in either 2003 or 2004.

Thanks Allard. I was curious when that clause kicked in.

soxfan121
07-26-2002, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by cubfan33
Hey Soxfan ... Youkilis in AA!

And it took him 8 games to strikeout for the first time, against 8 walks and .531 OBP. And they say the Red Sox have no prospects!! :D

Will, do you have any other info that isn't on the free sites about him?

cubfan33
07-27-2002, 01:51 AM
Better question for Kevin Goldstein (kevin@nextstopsix.com). Tell him to come back to Netshrine and fill us all in.