NetShrine
05-28-2001, 07:35 PM
Wonder if Boles would still be the MGR if Miceli hadn't popped off? Where was GM Dombrowski? He should have had a pulse on this along time ago - - - Miceli claims the situations been bad since last season. Sad, 'cause this team has a lot of talent. Maybe Doggie Perez can pull a Bob Lemon?
Monday, May 28
Perez replaces Boles as Marlins manager
ESPN.com news services
The Florida Marlins changed managers Monday, replacing John Boles and naming Hall of Famer Tony Perez, a special assistant to the general manager, on an interim basis.
Marlins GM Dave Dombrowski said the decision to replace Boles could be called a dismissal or, perhaps more appropriately, he said, a mutual agreement.
Dombrowski made the announcement 2½ hours before the Marlins' game against the Pirates in Pittsburgh. The Marlins were 22-26 going into Monday, third in the NL East, after losing three of four to the Mets.
The moves come one day after Marlins reliever Dan Miceli ripped into Boles, saying Boles had lost the confidence of the players. And Dombrowski said in a conversation Saturday night that Boles seemed to agree.
Boles said he had lost the clubhouse and that he didn't think he could get it back, Dombrowski said. Boles went on to say that were he the assistant GM, he would evaluate the team's performance this way: The team was underachieving and it needed a managerial change.
Boles declined to resign, but nevertheless accepted that he should no longer manage the team, Dombowski said, adding that Miceli's comments were not the reason for the move, but that they accelerated the decision-making process.
Miceli tore into Boles aftrer giving up three runs in the eighth inning of Saturday's 5-4 loss to the Mets in New York.
"There have been so many games they have screwed up by the positioning of guys," said Miceli, 0-4 with a staff-worst 6.27 ERA. "I'm just tired of it. There are other guys who feel the same way, but they won't say anything. I just feel it's time for someone to say something. These young guys have worked their (expletive) off to get here. They are going to be quiet.
"It's the talk of the locker room. They don't make the right moves in the right situations. From the pitching coach to the manager to the assistant manager ...
"There are grown men in this locker room who have worked their whole lives to get to the big leagues, and they're not getting the right type of instruction from the staff. Stupid moves."
Miceli said the only coach the players respect is bullpen and infield coach Tony Taylor -- one of two Marlins coaches who played in the majors (first-base coach Lynn Jones is the other).
"Everybody goes to T.T. -- for hitting, for coaching, for everything," Miceli said. "He's one of the smartest coaches I've ever met."
Perez briefly managed the Cincinnati Reds in 1993 and was fired early in his only season on the job.
Boles was a longtime player personnel specialist with the Marlins and moved into the manager's job in 1996, replacing Rene Lachemann, the team's first manager.
The next year, he stepped aside when the Marlins hired Jim Leyland, who led the team to the World Series title in seven games over Cleveland.
Florida then unloaded most of the high-priced players in a salary purge as owner H. Wayne Huizenga prepared to sell the team. A year later, Leyland left and Boles returned as manager.
Miceli, a nine-year veteran, has asked several times to be traded. Boles said Sunday was stunned by the right-hander's comments.
"I'm shocked by it," he said. "I haven't had time to digest it, but as far as confidence from the players -- the clubhouse has been great. The only thing that ever comes up is the Kevin Millar-Derrek Lee stuff," he said, referring to the debate surrounding who should start at first base.
"If a person is disenchanted where he is, I guess going after the manager is the way he feels it will get accomplished," Boles said.
Marlins president and general manager Dave Dombrowski said he will meet with Miceli: "I will talk to him, and I will talk to our manager. Those are the kind of comments you don't want your players to make, and I will deal with it appropriately. I think the primary responsibility is to get somebody out, and we'll worry about the other issues."
Miceli makes $2 million this year and can become a free agent after the season.
Dombrowski said no other player had expressed a loss in confidence in Boles or his staff: "I don't think we have played as well as we thought we would, but I don't think there is a morale problem."
Miceli said the Marlins front office has tainted his image by calling him a bad influence on younger players.
"I'm tired of the lies," Miceli said. "No more excuses, no more (expletive). This has been going on for a year and a half, but I've kept my mouth shut. If someone is (talking) behind your back, who wants to be around that?"
Boles said he met with Miceli "two or three times last year because Miceli was upset," but added he never commented about Miceli's influence on younger players.
"I've never said a negative word about Dan Miceli," Boles said. "He hasn't expressed any of this to me."
Miceli also took a shot at Boles for the manager's inaction during Friday's game against the Mets. Miceli said Boles should have taken the field when Mets manager Bobby Valentine went to first base to check on Tsuyoshi Shinjo, who had been hit by a pitch from Brad Penny. Valentine then stared at Penny.
"(Boles) should have gone out there," said Miceli, Penny's closest friend on the team. "None of this hiding in the dugout. You have to go out there and protect your players all the time."
Said Boles: "What am I supposed to do? The umpire controls the game. If I'm out there making my point, would someone from the other team come out there to the infield?"
Monday, May 28
Perez replaces Boles as Marlins manager
ESPN.com news services
The Florida Marlins changed managers Monday, replacing John Boles and naming Hall of Famer Tony Perez, a special assistant to the general manager, on an interim basis.
Marlins GM Dave Dombrowski said the decision to replace Boles could be called a dismissal or, perhaps more appropriately, he said, a mutual agreement.
Dombrowski made the announcement 2½ hours before the Marlins' game against the Pirates in Pittsburgh. The Marlins were 22-26 going into Monday, third in the NL East, after losing three of four to the Mets.
The moves come one day after Marlins reliever Dan Miceli ripped into Boles, saying Boles had lost the confidence of the players. And Dombrowski said in a conversation Saturday night that Boles seemed to agree.
Boles said he had lost the clubhouse and that he didn't think he could get it back, Dombrowski said. Boles went on to say that were he the assistant GM, he would evaluate the team's performance this way: The team was underachieving and it needed a managerial change.
Boles declined to resign, but nevertheless accepted that he should no longer manage the team, Dombowski said, adding that Miceli's comments were not the reason for the move, but that they accelerated the decision-making process.
Miceli tore into Boles aftrer giving up three runs in the eighth inning of Saturday's 5-4 loss to the Mets in New York.
"There have been so many games they have screwed up by the positioning of guys," said Miceli, 0-4 with a staff-worst 6.27 ERA. "I'm just tired of it. There are other guys who feel the same way, but they won't say anything. I just feel it's time for someone to say something. These young guys have worked their (expletive) off to get here. They are going to be quiet.
"It's the talk of the locker room. They don't make the right moves in the right situations. From the pitching coach to the manager to the assistant manager ...
"There are grown men in this locker room who have worked their whole lives to get to the big leagues, and they're not getting the right type of instruction from the staff. Stupid moves."
Miceli said the only coach the players respect is bullpen and infield coach Tony Taylor -- one of two Marlins coaches who played in the majors (first-base coach Lynn Jones is the other).
"Everybody goes to T.T. -- for hitting, for coaching, for everything," Miceli said. "He's one of the smartest coaches I've ever met."
Perez briefly managed the Cincinnati Reds in 1993 and was fired early in his only season on the job.
Boles was a longtime player personnel specialist with the Marlins and moved into the manager's job in 1996, replacing Rene Lachemann, the team's first manager.
The next year, he stepped aside when the Marlins hired Jim Leyland, who led the team to the World Series title in seven games over Cleveland.
Florida then unloaded most of the high-priced players in a salary purge as owner H. Wayne Huizenga prepared to sell the team. A year later, Leyland left and Boles returned as manager.
Miceli, a nine-year veteran, has asked several times to be traded. Boles said Sunday was stunned by the right-hander's comments.
"I'm shocked by it," he said. "I haven't had time to digest it, but as far as confidence from the players -- the clubhouse has been great. The only thing that ever comes up is the Kevin Millar-Derrek Lee stuff," he said, referring to the debate surrounding who should start at first base.
"If a person is disenchanted where he is, I guess going after the manager is the way he feels it will get accomplished," Boles said.
Marlins president and general manager Dave Dombrowski said he will meet with Miceli: "I will talk to him, and I will talk to our manager. Those are the kind of comments you don't want your players to make, and I will deal with it appropriately. I think the primary responsibility is to get somebody out, and we'll worry about the other issues."
Miceli makes $2 million this year and can become a free agent after the season.
Dombrowski said no other player had expressed a loss in confidence in Boles or his staff: "I don't think we have played as well as we thought we would, but I don't think there is a morale problem."
Miceli said the Marlins front office has tainted his image by calling him a bad influence on younger players.
"I'm tired of the lies," Miceli said. "No more excuses, no more (expletive). This has been going on for a year and a half, but I've kept my mouth shut. If someone is (talking) behind your back, who wants to be around that?"
Boles said he met with Miceli "two or three times last year because Miceli was upset," but added he never commented about Miceli's influence on younger players.
"I've never said a negative word about Dan Miceli," Boles said. "He hasn't expressed any of this to me."
Miceli also took a shot at Boles for the manager's inaction during Friday's game against the Mets. Miceli said Boles should have taken the field when Mets manager Bobby Valentine went to first base to check on Tsuyoshi Shinjo, who had been hit by a pitch from Brad Penny. Valentine then stared at Penny.
"(Boles) should have gone out there," said Miceli, Penny's closest friend on the team. "None of this hiding in the dugout. You have to go out there and protect your players all the time."
Said Boles: "What am I supposed to do? The umpire controls the game. If I'm out there making my point, would someone from the other team come out there to the infield?"