What kind of stats will Pedro have this year?

[WiredTiger]

I am guessing he pitches 25 games and goes 14-2 with a 2.30 ERA.

[SmedIndy]

17-9, 2.45 ERA, in 30 starts. In 7 of his 9 losses, he gets Mussina'd, losing 3-2, 2-1, 1-0, etc.

[satchel]

Wired - you see him hurt for a significant fraction of the season again, huh? I think I have to agree with you there. With his size and the way he throws, it seems like his arm is going to fall off one of these days.

[Fritz Buelow]

For what it's worth, Pedro's been a SP for 8 years now.

In those 8 years, he's managed more than 30 GS in a year only three times - - none in the last three years.

So, I go for 29 starts in 2002. Nine ND. A record of 14-6. Close to what Wired predicted.

[KCBOOMER]

With his reputation five more 14-6 seasons would put in the HoF even though he will barely win 200 games.

[satchel]

it's interesting to consider that even if Pedro does start only 29 times he might still wind up near the 300 K mark.

But I wonder, Boomer, if he even has five 14 win seasons left in him, unless he learns to pitch differently - reinvent himself as a finesse pitcher rather than ripping his arm out of its socket throwing 95 mph sliders. I bet he could do it - his changeup is so deceptive he can probably get people out with it even if his fastball drops below 90 mph.

[hmrsf]

Maybe wishful thinking but I feel he will go 18-3 1.89 ERA. He make pick up more wins if can average more runs.

I think he can do the 30 starts, if he is used wisely. Also he was working with a trainer/therapist. He is so incredibly hypermobile. Satch is right he can easily reinvent himself. Roman has the same frame but is not double jointed. Got my fingers crossed and candles lighted for him.

[KCBOOMER]

I think Pedro has been so dominant that the writers might forgive him for only having 200 wins. Less than that get make it dicey for him.

[Fritz Buelow]

Originally posted by hmrsf
Maybe wishful thinking but I feel he will go 18-3 1.89 ERA.

If done, he would be only the fourth pitcher in history to do it:

Joining Ron Guidry, Greg Maddux and (!) Fred Goldsmith.

[satchel]

Originally posted by hmrsf
Maybe wishful thinking but I feel he will go 18-3 1.89 ERA. He make pick up more wins if can average more runs.


Maybe the ERA is wishful thinking, hmrsf, but not the win total! You must not have much faith in that lineup. If Pedro's ERA is below 2.00 in 30 starts there's no excuse for the Sox getting him fewer than 22 wins...

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by satchel


Maybe the ERA is wishful thinking, hmrsf, but not the win total! You must not have much faith in that lineup. If Pedro's ERA is below 2.00 in 30 starts there's no excuse for the Sox getting him fewer than 22 wins... YOU WOULD THINK!!!

Not lack of faith, just been there where Pedro strikes out 17 and and we can't give him one stinking run. ERA is as a tad low, but that is something Pedro can control. If he can give a good 7 inning, he should be able to do 27-30 starts. He need runs for W's.

[Fritz Buelow]

Originally posted by hmrsf
He need runs for W's.

Bake him an Ex-lax cake. ;)

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by Fritz Buelow


Bake him an Ex-lax cake. ;)

Thanks for the laugh, I needed it! But Net, you create such a crappy visual! Yuck!!

[Fritz Buelow]

Originally posted by hmrsf
Thanks for the laugh, I needed it! But Net, you create such a crappy visual! Yuck!!

Pedro has the runs? No problemo Pedro. Just cut slits in your pants to let it drain out. You do know how to slit your uni, no? :stinker:

[Fuzzy Bear]

Originally posted by KCBOOMER
With his reputation five more 14-6 seasons would put in the HoF even though he will barely win 200 games.

If he's healthy, Pedro will finish at 16-4 with a 2.20 ERA.

Pedro is qualified for the HOF right now, in that he has been in the majors for parts of 10 seasons (9 and a cup of coffee).

If he blew his arm out right now, would you advocate his enshrinement? Would he go in anyway? By the Writers or the Vets? How long a wait? (Perhaps this is a new thread.)

I would vote for him, and I believe that he would go, even if he blew his arm out tomorrow, and never pitched another game.

Pedro is 132-59 lifetime, a .691 WP. This is higher than Koufax (165-87, .655) and Dizzy Dean (150-83, .644).

Pedro's lifetime ERA is 2.66. Koufax is at 2.76, and Dean is at 3.02, lifetime. This appears to be a slim edge to Pedro.

But wait! Pedro's 2.66 ERA is measured against league ERA of 4.49, putting Pedro 1.86 runs better than league ERA. Koufax is at 2.76 vs. 3.63 league ERA, putting Sandy 0.87 better than league. Dizzy's 3.02 ERA vs. league ERA of 3.94 puts him at 0.92 better than league. Those are CAREER stats.

There may be historical anomalies that level out Pedro's stats somewhat. If he hurt his arm seriously and tried to come back for a season or two, these stats would diminish somewhat. This was the case with Dizzy (although if it wasn't he wouldn't have had 10 years). Koufax went directly to the majors after signing because of his bonus, and the rules of baseball at that time; however, Koufax was only a few months younger than Pedro at the time he made his ML debut. How many HOF pitchers have ERAs 1.86 runs better than league IN THEIR BEST YEARS, OR EVEN THEIR ONE BEST SEASON??? Those stats are jaw-dropping.
:jaw:


On top of that are the 3 Cy Young Awards he has won, and his All-Star game appearances.

No pitcher has been as dominant in any four year period than Pedro Martinez. Not Maddux. Not Clemens. Not even Koufax.
If his chances for the Hall are dependent upon experiencing a decline phase of his career, should he suffer an arm injury, well, that just makes me want to barf:makepuke: Pedro's career, in and of itself, is a worthy HOF career, needing no additions to make it so. Why, in the name of Rube Marquard would anyone think otherwise?:D