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Xanadu Dragon
01-22-2002, 12:41 PM
Allow me to offer a proactive :rip: to the first guy that goes down in one of these small planes. What a bad idea this is - - just my :2cents: - - it's only a matter of time until one of these goes down. Seems the smaller planes go down more often, no?

Wednesday, January 16
A-Rod's idea of luxury travel takes off
By Darren Rovell
ESPN.com

A year and a half ago, Alex Rodriguez and childhood friend Justin Firestone were riding around Seattle in a limo talking about their future. "The person that bridges the gap between the athletes and the aviation world is going to do really well," said Rodriguez, who a year earlier had become a client of a private jet company that shuttles wealthy individuals from city to city on short notice.

Five months later, Firestone went to work for that company, eBizJets, with the task of retaining athletes as clients. At the time, the premium-service charter company had only a dozen clients who were professional athletes, including Rodriguez and David Cone, but A-Rod predicted that Firestone could build the business quickly.

"I said he could get a couple hundred athletes," Rodriguez said. "With how it's going right now, they could have 500 athletes in five years."

Today, Firestone, the nephew of broadcaster Roy Firestone, manages a virtual monopoly of nearly 200 clients who play in Major League Baseball, the NBA, NFL and on professional tennis and golf circuits. Talk of the company is circulating quickly through the locker rooms. Clients include Shaquille O'Neal, tennis star Martina Hingis and All-Star baseball players Derek Jeter, Nomar Garciaparra and Greg Maddux. Rodriguez has received extra flying time since becoming an eBizJet endorser in December.

Clients pay $100,000 to open an account with the company, which has access to 1,400 private aircraft when the planes are not being used by their owners. Each flight costs between $1,800 to $4,350 an hour, which is deducted from the client's account.

"Aviation is a pretty expensive proposition," said Rodriguez, who looked into fractional ownership of a jet before settling on eBizJets. "This company was a no-brainer in that it was safe, provided me with a lot of flexibility and is the most economical. A lot of middle salary players can afford this."

Yankees pitcher Sterling Hitchcock and Dodgers pitcher Andy Ashby use the service despite earning less than a third of A-Rod's $21 million annual salary.

Athletes, who make up less than 25 percent of eBizJets' total business, like that the charter company guarantees a jet to the nearest airport anywhere in the world within five hours of their call. On July 19, the Texas Rangers had to stay in Baltimore all day, even though their game with the Orioles was canceled due to a derailed train fire near Camden Yards. Because the charter plane wouldn't be in until midnight, Rodriguez used eBizJets to shuttle several teammates back to Texas.

"I brought 13 guys on a Gulfstream V and we all got a great night of sleep," Rodriguez said. "Unfortunately, the rest of the team got in at 6 in the morning. It's really about buying time, because a jet can show up very quickly and it allows me to prolong my day."

Rodriguez also called eBizJets shortly after terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon forced the shutdown of air travel across the country. Five days after the events of Sept. 11, Rodriquez said he was able to get his his girlfriend out of the Dominican Republic, when the airlines told her she couldn't get back to the United States for another two weeks.

Two months ago, the company opened an office at the Santa Monica Airport in California, in part to accommodate the growth of their athlete clients. Due to increased fear of flying following Sept. 11, more athletes are signing up for the service.

"Especially now, if they use us, they don't want to worry about who is flying the plane, who is on the plane and who will mob them for autographs," Firestone said.

Skip
01-22-2002, 01:50 PM
:loud: Just what is a "proactive :rip:"? A birthday wish for the Czar?

Actually, my first thought on reading this article was surprise that it hasnt been commonplace for years. I've never paid attention to team travel, and team rules for travel, but would have figured the richest had been doing their own thing for quite a while. For example, Cal staying at separate hotels, etc.

sweaver
01-22-2002, 01:59 PM
If they can hold 13 passengers, it should be large enough to be a safe craft. I assume since this is a commercial venture, they are subject to FAA rules about safety and inspections.

At least as safe as travelling by bus.

satchel
01-22-2002, 02:47 PM
Yeah, I had the impression these were just contracted corporate jets, not little cessnas or something. They have to be big enough to handle cross-country flights.

Xanadu Dragon
01-22-2002, 02:56 PM
Originally posted by sweaver
it should be large enough to be a safe craft

That's what they said about the Titanic.

Duque
01-22-2002, 03:04 PM
There is a greater probability that they'll be killed in a car crash than a plane one - mostly everything that goes in the air is ultra-safe nowadays. As long as they don't start flying them themselves, it shouldn't be a problem.

KCBOOMER
01-22-2002, 03:19 PM
Hope these guys didn't go to the Thurman Munson Flight School for their training.

Xanadu Dragon
01-22-2002, 03:41 PM
Originally posted by KCBOOMER
Hope these guys didn't go to the Thurman Munson Flight School for their training.

Oh, that was nasty.

He was just one of many: http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/stewart/stewfs03.htm

Baudib
01-23-2002, 07:35 PM
I love how the airline industry has brainwashed everyone into the "it's safer than driving."

This is the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. Just another example of how statistics can be skewed to prove any point.

It's understandable, because you need this kind of public relations campaign to convince people to pay exorbitant prices, wait in interminably long lines and suffer cramped seating and lousy food while flying thousands of feet in the air in aging, highly combustible aircraft in which you have about a 0 percent chance of walking away from should anything go wrong.

I am damn well sure that more people died walking last year than in airplanes. People get hit by cars, have heart attacks, get shot, etc., while walking all the time.

Many, many more people die in hospitals every year than airplanes. Ergo, don't go to a hospital, it's dangerous.

I am probably in my car, at a minimum, of 1,000 times a year. Multiple that by 270 million Americans....there are about 50,000 auto deaths each year.

That's one death for every 5 million or so car trips. Just counting the WTC planes alone, that's 300 people who died in plane crashes...for a comparable death/trip rate, there would have to have been 1.6 billion plane rides...

sweaver
01-23-2002, 07:50 PM
Remember, not everyone has a car. The stats on flying being safer are based on people-trips. Flying is indeed safer than driving, mostly because pilots are mostly highly trained professionals, while drivers are, well, you know.

BuzzBuzzard
01-24-2002, 07:24 AM
We are not talking about single engine prop planes either. The likelihood of one of these going down is not high at all. Hell, I'm jealous. If I had that kind of cash, bet your booty I'd be traveling the same way.

Xanadu Dragon
01-24-2002, 07:29 AM
Bottom line for me - you can't die in a plane crash, if you don't go up in the air. Conversely, if you go up in a plane, there's a chance you'll crash - perhaps albeit slim - regardless of the size of the plane.

If they keep skipping around long enough this way, one of them will go down. May take 20 years, but, it will happen. Hate to lose a great ballplayer that way.

BuzzBuzzard
01-24-2002, 07:37 AM
Originally posted by Xanadu Dragon
Bottom line for me - you can't die in a plane crash, if you don't go up in the air. Conversely, if you go up in a plane, there's a chance you'll crash - perhaps albeit slim - regardless of the size of the planeSubstitute car for plane and the meaning of the sentence does not change an ounce. Rememer Derrick Thomas? Remember Billy Martin? Remember Mets prospect Brian Cole?

You get my point. And let me save you the trouble, I do remember Payne Stewart, too.

Xanadu Dragon
01-24-2002, 07:42 AM
Thanks to belts and bags, some people do walk away from car wrecks, or can after a hospital stay.

Never heard of anyone walking away from a fall from 30,000 feet.

You have a chance of getting killed in a car - - in an accident. But, you can also survive that.

In summary - - you can have an accident in a car or a plane - both have odds. But, the accident survival also has odds to it, and, for the plane survival, the odds are slim.

BuzzBuzzard
01-24-2002, 08:26 AM
Believe it or not, people do survive plane crashes. Not the norm, but it does happen.

Next time you are thinking about going to spring training, enjoy that 24 hour drive to Tampa!:p