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Crash Course
10-15-2006, 04:05 PM
He pitched in the major leagues from 1898 to 1910.

nyy26wc
10-15-2006, 07:35 PM
170 RSAA
grey area

1 big year--41 RSAA in 1903

Not that consistent.

But, only 1 year with a negative RSAA, which was -1.

I need more time to think.

crazydiamond
10-15-2006, 09:10 PM
his 163 RSAA from 1898-1907 was good enough for 8th best over that time, behind some VERY big names (Young, Waddell, Mathewson, Nichols, etc.)
his BR/9IP of 10.57 (1.17/IP) is 62nd best all-time among pitchers with at least 1000 IP (from a field of about 1100 pitchers)

good enough for me to say yes

mainsr
10-16-2006, 08:58 AM
Cool stat: Allowed 29 HR in 2661 IP, or one every 91 2/3 IP. Mathewson fed the gopher at nearly twice the rate, once every 52 2/3 IP.

Tough call. His park-adjusted league-relative ERA is 80th of all time, which ranks behind such luminaries as John Tudor, Mike Jackson, and Russ Ford. On the other hand, he was top 10 in WHIP 8 times in a nine-year stretch. He also didn't get going with his career until he was 27. Today, that means the guy probably wasn't that good when he was young, but back then, it could be that he was locked into a contract with an independent minor league team, so who know what he could've done if he'd started five years earlier. Stunk it up in the '03 Series (0-2, 5.40).

I nixed him.

KCBOOMER
10-16-2006, 09:27 AM
Hurled for the great Wagner Pirates in the aughts. Only pitched for 13 seasons (the first was a cup of coffee). Even accounting for his teammates he had an excellent winning percentage. Inconsistent, but never had a bad season. More like 7 average ones, 3 good ones, 2 very good ones and one great one.

I am going to say yes, but it wouldn't have taken much to get me to say no.