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Crash Course
10-17-2004, 01:52 AM
I saw a lot of things tonight, watching Game 3 of the 2004 ALCS, regarding the Boston Red Sox that I found disturbing. And, interesting enough, none of it was things that happened on the field during the game. (And you thought this was going to be about Manny's baserunning and fielding!)

Right out of the chute, Sox management got me by allowing The Cowsills to sing "Hair" (http://www.robinrecords.com/cowsills/discography/music-hair.html) directly following the National Anthem.

Earlier this year, I heard a radio interview with Bosox G.M. Theo Epstein where he was asked about the Red Sox players and their 'out there' hair, etc. He said that Sox brass realized they needed to allow it with this current roster (because of the personalities on the team); but, it would not become a long term image policy for the Red Sox. Well, then, why celebrate that 'wild bunch' image but having The Cowsills sing "Hair"? Bit of a contradiction there. But, that was just a small peeve tonight. Two bigger ones followed - one during the game and one after.

In the top of the 8th inning, the Yankees were batting. The score was then 17-8 in favor of New York. The FOX camera went into the Red Sox dugout and it showed a shot of Bronson Arroyo and Derek Lowe laughing over something in the dugout. They were all smiles. This was Arroyo, who, three hours earlier, was in the same game (albeit very briefly), getting his corn rows dusted by a crop duster full of Yankee hits. And, this was Lowe, the next day starter for the Sox (as he is slated to pitch in Game 4 of the ALCS).

It seems somewhat inappropriate for these two, being in the positions they were in, to be joking in the dugout at a time like that. Your post-season opponent is about to go up 3-0 in a best of seven. They have knocked you down to the ground, and are standing on you with their foot pressed up against your throat. That's a time to laugh?

On the flip side, a few moments later, Derek Jeter nearly broke his ankle hustling towards 2nd base - in an attempt to beat out a force play - - in a the 8th inning of a game his team was leading 17 to 8! Take a guess at which team is more serious in this ALCS.

I thought that was pretty bad - until I saw the post-game interviews live, following the game (on YES).

When Sox Manager Terry Francona was addressing the media at the podium you could clearly hear music blasting in the background behind him. It was loud enough to be annoying. "Boom, boom, boom" went the bass line. I thought "That can't be the Sox clubhouse, can it? They just lost 19-8 and basically blew the ALCS and they're playing music that loud in their clubhouse? No way. Maybe it's the Yankee's clubhouse?"

But, then, the YES cameras showed Yankee Manager Joe Torre's live press conference just minutes later. And, there was no music in the background at all. Zero. Zip. Nada. Zilch. That leads one to believe that it was not the Yankee's clubhouse behind Francona.

Seems to me that the Boston Red Sox are more interested in living up to their "Animal House" image than they are about winning the ALCS. That's a shame. There is a ton of talent on the 2004 Boston Red Sox. With a little more discipline, they could have gone much further than they have this year.

Oh, well, maybe it's just easier to have "fun" and then just cry "unfair revenue gaps" after the party's over - rather than actually apply the talent that you have through a serious and focused effort?

PianoMonkey
10-17-2004, 04:42 AM
There is a ton of talent on the 2004 Boston Red Sox. With a little more discipline, they could have gone much further than they have this year.

Oh, well, maybe it's just easier to have "fun" and then just cry "unfair revenue gaps" after the party's over - rather than actually apply the talent that you have through a serious and focused effort?

First of all, in response to the first assertion, exactly how much farther could they have gotten? They made it to the playoffs, and to the ALCS. Are you suggesting that discipline cost them the first three games of the series?

To the idea that they aren't serious and focused... Did you see the shots of Schilling after he left the game in game one? Or even after the first two innings? The man was in tears. And that was before the first game in the series was even half over.

It does seem strange that Arroyo and Lowe were laughing it up. But I've got a metric ton of experience watching losing teams in their dugouts, and sometimes funny things happen.

The Sox aren't losing because of lack of focus. An unfocused team doesn't score runs like the Sox have been. They're losing because their pitching has completely fallen apart, much like Schilling's right heel, and because they've fallen apart while facing of one of the scariest lineups in the history of baseball.

Except for that hack Matsui. What a waste of a bat THAT guy has been.

Crash Course
10-17-2004, 08:59 AM
First of all, in response to the first assertion, exactly how much farther could they have gotten? They made it to the playoffs, and to the ALCS. Are you suggesting that discipline cost them the first three games of the series?

Perhaps with a more professional approach, they could have won the division? After all, they finished only 3 games behind as it was..........

And, if the Sox won the AL East, who knows - maybe we're looking at a different ALCS? Maybe NY gets knocked out by the Angels? Maybe they don't; but, having to do the East to West to East trip takes a little out of NY in the ALCS? Maybe playing the first two games in Fenway instead of NY would have meant a difference to the Sox? Maybe if they won the AL East, Schilling would have gotten more rest in September and he would be able to pitch in the ALCS? Maybe if NY had to fight for the Wild Card, they could have not gotten their pitching lined up for the post-season they have they did?

So, with all those possibilities, yes, perhaps a more professional approach would have helped the Sox not lose these 3 games?

mgoettsche
10-18-2004, 12:42 AM
You might have something there, but honestly, we'll never know. That's like the people saying Babe Ruth might have been better if he didn't party so much...maybe so, or maybe he would have been too uptight when playing and dropped off.

It is distressing to see the party atmosphere going on while their asshats are getting handed to them...but if the spirit of the team is to be loose, then perhaps its better than enforcing silence.

Would've been interesting to see how the series turned out if Schilling was healthy...changed the entire complexion.

Makofan
10-18-2004, 04:10 PM
I hate their stupid pine-tar smeared batting helmets. It looks like dog poop. Get them out of there!!

Crash Course
10-18-2004, 11:20 PM
Reportedly, on the FOX-cast tonight, they said that Sheffield had something to say about how the Sox conduct themselves (and it was not nice). Further, it was said (by Chris Myers on FOX) that the Sox players used it for motivation.

I tried to find it on google - no luck.

Joseph
10-19-2004, 01:31 AM
"They're a walking disaster. They act like they're tough, how they care so much about winning, but it's all a front. They're just a bunch of characters." - Gary "You stole my personal Shef"-field

captain_napalm
10-19-2004, 10:37 AM
Reportedly, on the FOX-cast tonight, they said that Sheffield had something to say about how the Sox conduct themselves (and it was not nice). Further, it was said (by Chris Myers on FOX) that the Sox players used it for motivation.

I tried to find it on google - no luck.
I never was too big on the motivation issue.

It's the playoffs. If getting to and winning the World Series isn't motivation enough, you need to find a new line of work

Crash Course
10-19-2004, 01:05 PM
Thanks Joseph.

Napalm - FWIW, the Sox are pulling everything possible out of the High School playbook - - - the capper being that scene last night when Schilling and two other SP ran out to the bullpen late in the game (and got the crowd all worked up).

No need for Schilling to run out there. He had as much chance pitching in Game 5 as I did.

Noticed too yesterday in the post-game that Schilling was wearing his 2001 WS ring. That's not everyday on the hand stuff. Clearly, it's a rah-rah move...........

........but, that all said, it's working for the Red Sox. So, in the end, two days later, I must now say that I was wrong to get on them for the music, joking, etc. For them, it's working. And, at the end of the day, whatever works is best.

SmedIndy
10-23-2004, 09:33 AM
It takes real professionals to be down 3-0 and come back.

Crash Course
10-23-2004, 10:23 AM
No question here that the Sox are a bunch of professionals. ;)