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Crash Course
10-05-2004, 11:31 PM
Which pitcher was better in 2004 and why?
Ytown Tribe fan
10-06-2004, 07:53 PM
Going with Santana.

Here are some of the numbers:

P ... Santana ... Unit

IP ... 228.0 ... 245.7
ERA ... 2.61 ... 2.60
RA ... 2.76 ... 3.22
FIP ... 3.16 ... 2.33
WS ... 26.8 ... 26.9
WSAA ... 15 ... 13
RSAA ... 57 ... 38
KCBOOMER
10-06-2004, 10:57 PM
Yeah, I'll go with Santana for the reasons outlined above, but he did pitch for a much better team than RJ did.
Crash Course
10-06-2004, 11:38 PM
Unit only had 38 RSAA?
nyy26wc
10-06-2004, 11:52 PM
Unit only had 38 RSAA?

No. He had 50.
Crash Course
10-07-2004, 12:11 AM
That's what I thought - hence the question on who was better.
Ytown Tribe fan
10-07-2004, 08:53 PM
My figures were obtained from The Hardball Times, which lists Johnson as having 38 RSAA in the final NL pitching stats section. I cannot verify their numbers, but I do use them all the time.
Crash Course
10-07-2004, 11:21 PM
Lee better straighten out those THT guys! ;)
nyy26wc
10-08-2004, 10:12 AM
Lee better straighten out those THT guys! ;)

1) They said they made a typo in entering the formula, so all of their numbers are wrong.
2) We have irreconsirable differences on whether single year or multi year park factors should be applied to single season stats. So, even with the formula corrected, we are going to come up with different results. As a solution, they are changing their stat and are calling it RAA.
Crash Course
10-08-2004, 10:16 AM
good job Lee
Ytown Tribe fan
10-08-2004, 07:22 PM
Thanks Lee.

Look at the difference in unearned runs between the two: Santana has apparently benefited from a much better defense than Unit. Then there's the big gap in FIP.

Unit may not only be betterthan his W-L record indicates, but better than his ERA-based stats indicate as well; the opposite may be true of Santana.

I'd go with Unit, in that case.
Crash Course
10-08-2004, 11:52 PM
I'll bite. What's FIP?
captain_napalm
10-11-2004, 10:20 AM
Fielding Independent Pitching
Crash Course
10-11-2004, 10:28 AM
Thanks.
Crash Course
11-09-2004, 02:03 PM
SEASON
2004

INNINGS PITCHED displayed only--not a sorting criteria
BASERUNNERS/9 IP vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
STRIKEOUTS/9 IP vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
STRIKEOUTS/WALKS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
NEUTRAL WINS displayed only--not a sorting criteria

RSAA RSAA IP BR/9 IP SO/9 IP SO/BB N_W
1 Johan Santana 54 228 4.50 4.01 2.98 19
2 Randy Johnson 50 245.2 4.38 3.89 4.60 22


Would command be enough to go with the Unit?