Fred McGriff = Early Wynn?

[Crash Course]

Crime Dog's 2004 tour smells a lot like Wynn's 1963.
Does it matter?

[Makofan]

I don't think this bad ending to McGriff's career will mean anything to his HoF chances. He stands or falls on his career. This makes me think - here are all the firstbasemen in the league in 1987 (his rookie year) that played 1B primarily in their careers (thus no Brett/Schmidt in this group), and at least had a few decent seasons. Is he good enough above his contemporaries? Murray is in, and McGwire and Palmeiro will be. Does he stand that much above Mattingly, Garvey, Hrbek, Clark, et al?

Steve Balboni
Greg Brock
Bill Buckner
Alvin Davis
Cecil Fielder
Kent Hrbek
Wally Joyner
Don Mattingly
Fred McGriff
Mark McGwire
Eddie Murray
Pete O'Brien
Ken Phelps
Pat Tabler
Willie Upshaw
Greg Walker
Mike Aldrete
Sid Bream
Jack Clark
Will Clark
Glenn Davis
Dan Driessen
Leon Durham
Nick Esasky
Andres Galarraga
Steve Garvey
Pedro Guerrero
Von Hayes
Danny Heep
Keith Hernandez
John Kruk
Dave Magadan
Rafael Palmeiro
Gerald Perry
Denny Walling

[TimmyB]

Crime Dog's 2004 tour smells a lot like Wynn's 1963.


Wynn made it to 300 wins. 500 HRs seem very much in question.

[Crash Course]

To Mako's point, you could say he's around Will Clark..........


1986-2003
1B
OWP displayed only--not a sorting criteria
RUNS CREATED/GAME vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
OPS vs. the league average displayed only--not a sorting criteria
GAMES displayed only--not a sorting criteria

RCAA RCAA OWP RC/G OPS G
1 Mark McGwire 667 .739 3.61 .234 1856
2 Jeff Bagwell 663 .714 3.24 .198 1955
3 Will Clark 473 .674 2.34 .134 1976
4 Fred McGriff 470 .649 2.02 .138 2323
5 Rafael Palmeiro 454 .655 2.16 .140 1997
6 John Olerud 382 .650 1.96 .112 1909
7 Mo Vaughn 304 .637 2.11 .136 1512
8 Mark Grace 273 .593 1.39 .075 2245
9 Andres Galarraga 199 .566 1.34 .106 2154
10 Wally Joyner 198 .580 0.90 .056 2033

[Makofan]

Well I'm impressed, looking at Steve's stats - I guess it just depends how many 1B from one era is enough in the Hall

[nyy26wc]

McGriff is the anti Wynn.

McGriff's got excellent credentials, regardless of whether he ever hits 500 HR.

All Wynn has his favor is the silly "wins" stat. His 105 RSAA are in imminent danger of being dropped from the top 200 list. The only question is whether that happens this week, next week or slightly later. At least 2 of a good sized group of active pitchers are ready to kick him out of the top 200.

[mgoettsche]

More and more I see McGriff being right on the border. Lotta first basemen from this era though, especially with Thomas and Bagwell coming around the bend.