Womack to Cardinals

[sweaver]

Tony Womack has been traded to the Cardinals, with the Red Sox getting minor league pitcher Matt Duff. Womack may get a shot at either or both the 2B and LF jobs in St. Louis.

[Crash Course]

Is Womack 100%?

[Sidewinder]

Apparently, he won't be able to play in the field for another month. He's seen action in ST as a DH and has been starting to throw on the side.

[Crash Course]

Wonder if they will start him out in AAA. They almost have to.........

[Sidewinder]

I think you're right. Unfortunately, I suspect that he might be the starting 2B before too long.

[gyb13]

larussa says he'll use him all over the place...

[1908]

Is Womack 100%?

One could argue that Womack would need to be 300% to be useful. I know the Cards' system is as dry as the Mojave, but wasn't there a better way for them to spend this money?

[nyy26wc]

One could argue that Womack would need to be 300% to be useful. I know the Cards' system is as dry as the Mojave, but wasn't there a better way for them to spend this money?

300% of Womack is -60 RCAA.

[Crash Course]

His terrible stick last year, in terms of OWP, is not the worst ever, FWIW - - 'tho it's up there:

1973-2003
Non P
PLATE APPEARANCES >= 300

OWP YEAR OWP PA
1 Luis Gomez 1980 .104 307
2 Angel Salazar 1987 .104 332
3 George Wright 1985 .110 393
4 Mario Mendoza 1979 .112 401
5 Tony Pena 1993 .114 347
6 Eli Marrero 1999 .120 343
7 Luis Sojo 1996 .123 308
8 Doug Flynn 1977 .124 333
9 Dan Wilson 1994 .129 303
10 Homer Bush 2000 .133 325
11 Houston Jimenez 1984 .135 317
12 Rob Picciolo 1977 .138 446
13 Rey Ordonez 1997 .141 391
14 Tom Veryzer 1977 .142 373
15 John Flaherty 1998 .144 334
16 Dave McCarty 1993 .145 371
17 Dick Billings 1973 .146 305
18 Jose Oquendo 1983 .148 353
19 Barry Foote 1975 .154 410
20 Kirt Manwaring 1997 .155 375
21 Kiko Garcia 1980 .156 340
22 Matt Walbeck 1994 .159 359
23 Onix Concepcion 1985 .159 349
24 Einar Diaz 2002 .165 351
25 Larry Bowa 1973 .165 476
26 Fred Kendall 1975 .166 314
27 Cristian Guzman 1999 .166 456
28 Billy Ripken 1991 .166 315
29 Alex Gonzalez 2000 .167 407
30 Bob Boone 1984 .167 486
31 Andujar Cedeno 1996 .167 355
32 Bud Harrelson 1977 .167 305
33 Pat Listach 1995 .167 369
34 Kevin Jordan 2000 .168 358
35 Mike Matheny 1996 .169 341
36 Alfredo Griffin 1981 .170 414
37 Skip Jutze 1973 .170 306
38 Neifi Perez 2002 .170 585
39 John Shelby 1989 .170 371
40 Vinny Castilla 2000 .171 354
41 Marvell Wynne 1985 .171 363
42 Rafael Belliard 1992 .172 315
43 Dave Roberts 1974 .174 358
44 Tim Bogar 2000 .178 351
45 Todd Cruz 1983 .178 475
46 Peter Bergeron 2001 .179 416
47 Mick Kelleher 1976 .179 363
48 George Mitterwald 1976 .179 325
49 Tony Womack 2003 .180 364
50 Doug Flynn 1982 .182 485

[hmrsf]

:cool2: Wahooooo I am Womackless :cool: !

[hmrsf]

:makepuke: Imagine a Pokey and a Womack summer :bigbarf:

Dodged that bullet big time!

[Crash Course]

Say what you/we do about Womack.
The SOB broke my back with a hit in the 9th of game 7 in 2001.
He may be a clueless hitter - but, he's no choker, if that helps.

[hmrsf]

Does his middle name begin with F too? ;)

I know exactly what you mean. :D

[LeGrandOrange]

I solemnly hope Tony LaRussa doesn't start him regularly. But that shouldn't be possible. Marlon Anderson is a passable regular 2B, and there's enough other LF candidates that Womack wouldn't be an option there. Besides, he's never played LF a a major leaguer.

I'm assuming Womack is being hired to be some sort of utility player...but will he be an infielder or outfielder?

[hmrsf]

I solemnly hope Tony LaRussa doesn't start him regularly. But that shouldn't be possible.

I'm assuming Womack is being hired to be some sort of utility player...


I had the same fears too. For every at bat he had he took it away from another player. Crespo or Merloni could have easily done as well....definantly not worse. :D

[nyy26wc]

Say what you/we do about Womack.
The SOB broke my back with a hit in the 9th of game 7 in 2001.
He may be a clueless hitter - but, he's no choker, if that helps.

I dissent.

During the World Series, Womack had a .294 OBA and a .344 SLG. He was a Yankees asset.

And he also contributed sufficiently to a Yankees victory.

Game 5 of the World Series--Third inning, score tied, 0-0, Diamondbacks have runners on 1st and 2nd with 1 out. Womack performs his speciality and makes an out. If he got a hit, it's 1-0 Diamondbacks at that point and the Diamondbacks then take a 3-0 lead into the 9th, Brosius's HR just cuts the lead to 3-2, Diamondbacks win the game and win the World Championship the next day.

If you are going to label him a non choker based on one swing, you also have to call him a choker based on the same number of swings that cost his team winning a day earlier and, but for the contributions of someone else on the team (Curt Schilling, for shutting down the Yankees lineup that day) would have cost them the entire championship.

[Crash Course]

Lot more pressure in G7 of the WS, 9th inning, down by a run, one out, facing Mo Rivera, with a runner on second than in G5 of a WS, tied at 2, with two games to follow in your home park. There's almost no pressure. Can you choke in a no pressure situation?

[LeGrandOrange]

Leland, you ignorant slu...er...fool. Tony Womack had better numbers than most of the Yankees team. Save for O'Neill, the entire starting lineup of the Bronx Bombers was an asset to the Diamondbacks.

Considering the ebb and flow of the series, Womack looked pretty damn good.

[captain_napalm]

Say what you/we do about Womack.
The SOB broke my back with a hit in the 9th of game 7 in 2001.
He may be a clueless hitter - but, he's no choker, if that helps.

:D

I was thinking, "automatic out" right before the double down the line

But, more power to him. Best of luck on the Cards.

[KCBOOMER]

I don't see how having Womack on the roster helps anybody and getting him off the roster helps a lot.

[LeGrandOrange]

If he's coming off the bench, and is used properly by LaRussa, he has good value. He's a prototypical utility guy, he's swift, he's versatile, and he can't hit (nor can he field for that matter). The fact he can't hit doesn't mean he doesn't have a place on a big league roster...only that he has no place being a regular with his bat and glove deficiencies.

Trust me, there are a number of situations where having a utility man as fast as Womack can be quite valuable.

[hmrsf]

If he's coming off the bench, and is used properly by LaRussa, he has good value. He's a prototypical utility guy, he's swift, he's versatile, and he can't hit (nor can he field for that matter). The fact he can't hit doesn't mean he doesn't have a place on a big league roster...only that he has no place being a regular with his bat and glove deficiencies.

Trust me, there are a number of situations where having a utility man as fast as Womack can be quite valuable.


Can't any number of AAAA players fill this role??

Is a player only as good as what he is traded for? Womack for a minor league pitcher who never did anything, pushing 30, to get off his Duff. ;)

[Makofan]

Can't any number of AAAA players fill this role??

That's what I don't get. Are there no 20-23 yr-old outfielders in the farm system who can field and run? Try them out!!

[Crash Course]

I think some of you are forgetting that the Cards need help at 2B too.

[TGwynn19]

He's a prototypical utility guy, he's swift, he's versatile, and he can't hit (nor can he field for that matter).


If he can't hit or field what does his speed help?? Running back to the dugout?

[Crash Course]

If he can't hit or field what does his speed help?? Running back to the dugout?

Pinch running?

[sweaver]

Womack's running skills have deteriorated with his age. He no longer steals bases at any kind of clip. This is not Davey Lopes we have here.

[Crash Course]

Womack's running skills have deteriorated with his age. He no longer steals bases at any kind of clip. This is not Davey Lopes we have here.

He's still faster than Mike Matheny, Eduardo Perez or Albert Pujols. If one of those guys is on 2nd, with 2 outs, in the 9th, and you're down by one, you would want Womack as a PR.

[Sidewinder]

He's still faster than Mike Matheny, Eduardo Perez or Albert Pujols. If one of those guys is on 2nd, with 2 outs, in the 9th, and you're down by one, you would want Womack as a PR.

Hopefully the Cardinals will trade Womack to the D-Rays so he can run for Perez (and Tino) :)

[Crash Course]

I'm getting old. Transactions are passing me by.........