Rash To Tar & Feather BALCO Boys?

[Crash Course]

See: http://www.netshrine.com/20040302.html

Discussion welcome and appreciated.

[SmedIndy]

Did Ringolsby greenlight this article??? :D

I agree, glass houses man. You don't know what your players have done - or what they will do.

[Crash Course]

:loud: Smed.

Yes, there's a long list of players who have muscled up in recent years - Sammy Sosa, Brian Giles, Eric Hinske, Larry Walker, Trot Nixon, Bret Boone, Jim Thome, Javy Lopez, Jeff Bagwell, Raul Mondesi, Tony Batista, Brad Fullmer, etc. Many may be natural. Some may not be..........guessing is not the right thing to do, so, I will not. But, if someone who is using is getting from a dealer, they are at risk to be caught - - esp. now that performance enhancers are the hot ticket with the feds, etc.

[Crash Course]

FWIW, the Red Sox are already building their glass house............

In a Providence Jounal piece today, (reg req, or else I would link it), entitled "While steroids are problem, Sox claim it's not theirs" - - quote, "Boston acknowledges that steroids are a black eye for baseball, and a black eye for the rival New York Yankees."

"It may cast shadow over the game for a while," he [Johnny Damon]said. "But baseball is a very forgiving sport and I'm confident it can survive."

Then, returning to the dominant theme of the spring, Damon allowed himself to smile. Noting two of the players involved in the investigation -- Giambi and Sheffield -- he said: "We have nothing to worry about over here. Let the Yankees worry about it."


Worth remembering........ ;)

[SmedIndy]

Weight training used to be a big no-no, because players would supposedly lose flexibility - but now everyone does it. And young players have grown up with the culture of weight training all through high school and college. No one says a word when a 200 pound high school senior becomes 260 in college and 290 in the pros, especially when he seems to have the body mass for it. So many of these players who got bigger all of a sudden may be totally legit.

As for Damon's comment - yeesh - he'd better watch it.

[rc3000]

No one says a word when a 200 pound high school senior becomes 260 in college and 290 in the pros, especially when he seems to have the body mass for it.

Very true. From personal experiance I went from 180 to 235 in two years (19-21) doing some weight lifting and moving a lot of refridgerators into houses. They always compare the rookie photo of Bonds (21 years old) to now. Through his college years (20 years ago) the philosophy of weight training hurting a baseball player was probably still prevelant. It would be good to see a collage of photos over the years to see when the big jump occured or if it was gradual.

All that said if yesterday's story is true he still would have a lotta 'splainin to do.

[Crash Course]

It is a good point that gets lost - some guys do get bigger via a "legit" route with supplements like creatine. But, then again, when you see a guy playing baseball that has that WWF look, you have to wonder if there's a little more in the tank than just regular unleaded.

[rc3000]

As for Damon's comment - yeesh - he'd better watch it.
I started saying it as a joke but now I am starting to wonder if this concussion might have triggered something. He has been saying some strange things since he arrived at camp !!!

[RedSeat]

FWIW, the Red Sox are already building their glass house............

In a Providence Jounal piece today, (reg req, or else I would link it), entitled "While steroids are problem, Sox claim it's not theirs" - - quote, "Boston acknowledges that steroids are a black eye for baseball, and a black eye for the rival New York Yankees."



Worth remembering........ ;)
As a point of clarification. The "Boston acknowledges..." quote is from the article headline, not a quote from the anyone actually affiliated with the Red Sox.

As for Damon's quote, I saw the clip on the local sportscast. He said, "Let the Yankees worry about it." when he was asked what he thought about Sheffield and Giambi being implicated. Conveys a slightly different tone than was given in the article.

Whether or not the Red Sox truly have nothing to worry about remains to be seen, and Damon might've been wise to keep his mouth shut.

As for Steve's article, my one comment is that "BAL-CO" might be the dominant cheer, rather than "STEEEEER-OOOIDS". :)

[SmedIndy]

It is a good point that gets lost - some guys do get bigger via a "legit" route with supplements like creatine. But, then again, when you see a guy playing baseball that has that WWF look, you have to wonder if there's a little more in the tank than just regular unleaded.

But no one questioned guys like Kluzewski or Bilko or Frank Howard.

[Crash Course]

As for Steve's article, my one comment is that "BAL-CO" might be the dominant cheer, rather than "STEEEEER-OOOIDS". :)

:loud: I can see (hear?) "Baaaaaaaaaaal-co" happening just as easy. Good one Red Seat.

[Crash Course]

But no one questioned guys like Kluzewski or Bilko or Frank Howard.

Just as few today question Richie Sexson or A-Rod or Andres Galarraga or Tony Clark. Men who are just naturally big are pretty obvious as being big just for that reason.

[KCBOOMER]

Damon's remark was fairly innocuous. He made it to his local media. It wasn't a national interview or derisive in tone.

As for the Balco boys, I wouldn't believe anything they say without some corroborating evidence.

[sweaver]

But no one questioned guys like Kluzewski or Bilko or Frank Howard.
Of course, we are still waiting to hear from Jeff Kent on this.

[hopbitters]

As for Damon's quote, I saw the clip on the local sportscast. He said, "Let the Yankees worry about it." when he was asked what he thought about Sheffield and Giambi being implicated. Conveys a slightly different tone than was given in the article.

Whether or not the Red Sox truly have nothing to worry about remains to be seen, and Damon might've been wise to keep his mouth shut.

I can't believe I'm defending Cousin Itt, but why would you ask a Red Sox player about negative Yankee rumors other than to stir things up? "No comment" probably would have been the wise choice, but he didn't really say anything other than "it's not my problem", which is true. That may change in the future or it may not, but you can't blame him for wanting to think his teammates are clean.