Bin Laden tape...do you want to see it?

[b-ball-lunachik]

I do...not sure what good it will do but I think they should sell the tape for $5.00 apiece and give the money to the victims...

I got this in a CNN email this morning:

On tape released by Pentagon, Osama bin Laden says hijackers "were trained" and says plan not revealed to them until "just before they boarded the planes."

Guess he covered all his bases and didn't trust his disciples to keep their mouths shut, huh?

Do you think we will actually know if he gets killed? I want to actually see that the guy is no longer around when/if we do get him...but with the bombing of the caves, I'm not sure if that will happen...

Ideally, after he's killed, I'd like to see his body led through the streets of America like the Olympic torch in one of those plastic coffins...

[Yogi#8Fan]

I'd buy a tape showing his supporters flying into a building which he's in and alive. Other than that, I might as well go to Kadafy or Saddam Hussein for propoganda.

If he doesn't get hung from a tree, someone can let him swim with the fish, so long as they're piranhas. Even they'd spit him out.

[ChrisCary]

I don't care to see the fuckhead but I understand that some people feel the need.

There isn't anything that can be on that tape to change my feelings

[hmrsf]

Originally posted by ChrisCary
I don't care to see the fuckhead but I understand that some people feel the need.

There isn't anything that can be on that tape to change my feelings




DITTO

[BuzzBuzzard]

This should help soften the mood. Big Unit and Ari Fleischer

[Skipper Steve]

He was rubbing his head - - and told him that maybe it would bring his beloved Yankees more luck - - the guy loves the Bombers.

Back to the tape - - - while, like most, for me, the tape would not change anything - - - but, I think it's important to get it out to shut up many other people.

I saw the old Chris Jackson on HBO Real Sports two days ago - the guy who wouldn't stand for the anthem a few years back - and he was going on about how it could have been the Israelis that blew up the WTC. Know what, he's not the first or last that I heard say that - - - I think the tape would clear it up for many people.

[ChrisCary]

Steve,

Ignorance never shuts up

[Skipper Steve]

Originally posted by ChrisCary
Ignorance never shuts up

:loud: True bro, true.

[Yogi#8Fan]

In a way, I feel that viewing the tape may be like seeing the last statement of that ex-soldier who blew up that building w/168 people in it (I must've forgotten his name purposely). It wasn't even a statement, it was the challenging, final evil stare he'd had when the saline solution was flowing through his veins.

I may watch it, but I feel that it's like watching the final statement of someone who killed a friend, but is about to get life or capital punishment. Sometimes you just have to see what evil was there the whole time in order to try fathoming where flying two jumbo jets into the world's two largest office buildings, actually comes from. Probably completely unamusing, but chilling. Strange as hell, also.

[Jen]

Originally posted by Skipper Steve
He was rubbing his head - - and told him that maybe it would bring his beloved Yankees more luck - - the guy loves the Bombers.



It's too bad the Yanks can't choose their fans.

As far as the tape, well, it's nice that the Middle East thinks it's just American propaganda, isn't it? :rolleyes:

[BuzzBuzzard]

Based upon what I just read at MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/news/627086.asp) it looks there is some hope they are closing in on this bastard. Wouldn't that make a nice holiday present. Osama delivered with a bow around his neck to the Department of Justice, although I am torn as to whether or not I'd rather see him killed.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by BuzzBuzzard
Based upon what I just read at MSNBC (http://www.msnbc.com/news/627086.asp) it looks there is some hope they are closing in on this bastard. Wouldn't that make a nice holiday present. Osama delivered with a bow around his neck to the Department of Justice, although I am torn as to whether or not I'd rather see him killed. Kill him and they can martyr him, which I couldn't care less about. I don't wish to worry about him one bit. If they try him, you'll have every yahoo on the planet whose a religious fanatic trying to get him out, probably making heavy-handed hostage sieges along the way to get him out.

Osama is the only dude who can possibly replace Madass Hussein as someone who deserves one right between the eyes. Preferably by an American tank w/crew holding an American flag, then running him over. After that, burning his rotting carcass in front of his supporters would make me a very happy camper. A few maggots gnawing at his flesh would also be nice, given that they can stand his stench (and I don't mean from the flame broiling either).

[Golden Bear]

If he's dead, you need a body...otherwise he's Evil Elvis -- millions will never believe he's dead. There will be UBL sightings at every 7-11 with a malfunctioning Slurpee machine or every Wendy's where somebody gets food poisoning. People will report that he's still in the caves directing anti-US operations, or that he's relocated to Argentina and is hiding out in Hitler's South American bunker.

We can't have that -- victory will be ambiguous enough without that nonsense. The USA knows this...that's why they're going through all that trouble to collect DNA samples for identification, etc.

And I don't think we want him alive...then his followers just start snatching hostages to try to get him back. Besides, it would be a unending media circus -- the chattering class can't handle that much reality, and won't be able to turn the BS spigot off.

So my policy prescription is -- catch him, kill him (or kill him first and then recover him), put his homely head on a pike, and put it somewhere where everyone can get a long look at it to satisfy themselves that he's getting his just reward in hell. Then burn the remains and flush them down the toilet in the nastiest gas station men's room toilet you can find.

[Xanadu Dragon]

Kill him on the run, and he's a martyr. Jail him and he becomes a John Gotti, running the show from behind bars. If you kill him in prison, he's probably still a martyr?

I think you have to catch him live, and somehow discredit him in the eyes of his believers (even if it requires a set up) and then kill him - once no one on his side cares about him.

[Golden Bear]

He's martyred no matter what, to those who will choose to consider him as such.

The evidence is mounting that the radical cultures in SW Asia interpret acts of compassion, mercy, or tempered justice as weakness, and interpret aggression and resolve as strength and courage.

So we're doing exactly what will get their attention and respect -- we're showing them who's the baddest man on the block, in no uncertain terms. We're laying a historic ass-kicking on them, and our forces are barely breaking a sweat.

Consider, for a moment, that we've conquered a country -- a country that the Soviets couldn't bring to heel in 9 years of fighting -- in about 6 weeks -- and I don't think we've incurred double digit casualties in doing it. (If we have, it's only been because of friendly fire incidents.)

The end of that process is destroying Bin Laden and his captains and lieutenants -- and that means killing them, and letting the world know we killed them. The message must be delivered, in no uncertain terms -- if you mess with the U.S., you will not only be defeated, not only be conquered, but you will be annihilated.

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by Golden Bear
Consider, for a moment, that we've conquered a country -- a country that the Soviets couldn't bring to heel in 9 years of fighting -- in about 6 weeks -- and I don't think we've incurred double digit casualties in doing it. (If we have, it's only been because of friendly fire incidents.)


Let me hasten to clarify I speak of casualties in the Afghani theater...the victims at the WTC, the Pentagon, and in SW PA should not be forgotten, and their sacrifice and courage should not be minimized in any way.

But once it's become a fair fight instead of a sneak attack on civilians, the enemy hasn't really laid a glove on us so far.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Golden Bear
Let me hasten to clarify I speak of casualties in the Afghani theater...the victims at the WTC, the Pentagon, and in SW PA should not be forgotten, and their sacrifice and courage should not be minimized in any way.

But once it's become a fair fight instead of a sneak attack on civilians, the enemy hasn't really laid a glove on us so far. My heart also goes out to the 4,000 or so who perished in the WTC attacks, the 300+ firefighters from all over the NY/NJ/CT/PA area, as well as the 800 who died in the Pentagon attacks, and those brave souls who fought so hard to prevent further mass carnage in SW PA.

As to Osama, he's had no compassion and thereby deserves none in return. A trial will be a bigger zoo than the Puffy trial and who knows where the next Jack Ruby will come from. You'd have far too many suspects for that one.

If killed, I'd agree you'd need a body on this one. I hadn't thought about the infinite "daily sightings" we'd have.

About him not laying a glove on us, so long as a big part of the skyline I've grown up knowing is missing, this was a daytime attack which meant maximum carnage and a CA flight to insure maximum heated airplane fuel spewing about violently, a giant glove has been laid on us. We can take out the enemy but that won't undo what's been done to start this whole fiasco. It simply quiets one of countless religious zealots in the world.

[Golden Bear]

Originally posted by Yogi#8Fan
About him not laying a glove on us, so long as a big part of the skyline I've grown up knowing is missing, this was a daytime attack which meant maximum carnage and a CA flight to insure maximum heated airplane fuel spewing about violently, a giant glove has been laid on us. We can take out the enemy but that won't undo what's been done to start this whole fiasco. It simply quiets one of countless religious zealots in the world.

Right Yogi..that's what I tried to go out of my way to make clear. They haven't laid a glove on us since the 11th; obviously on the 11th we were dealt a grievous blow.

[Yogi#8Fan]

Originally posted by Golden Bear
Right Yogi..that's what I tried to go out of my way to make clear. They haven't laid a glove on us since the 11th; obviously on the 11th we were dealt a grievous blow. When I start missing stuff like that, I know it's time for a break. I'll definitely agree w/your point but my "retentiveness" seems to be shining a little too strong right now.