Double Winners

[KCBOOMER]

Can you name the pitchers who are the winngest pitchers for more than one franchise?

[Craig S.]

Randy Johnson is one, for the Mariners and Diamondbacks.

[KCBOOMER]

Okay, you got the gimme. Now who are the others.

[Craig S.]

Okay, you got the gimme. Now who are the others.

Darn - I was hoping you'd say he was the only one! ;)

[gyb13]

George Haddock - 9 for the PL Buffalo Bisons (tied w/ Bert Cunningham) and 34 for the 1890-91 Boston Red Stockings

[gyb13]

cy young (boston red sox and cleveland spiders)

[gyb13]

larry mckeon (two of the indianapolis hoosiers teams)

[KCBOOMER]

George Haddock and Cy Young are correct.

Larry McKeon is not correct. For some reason the SBE shows hims as the winningest pitcher of the Indianapolis team of the Federal League. Mckeon played from 1884-1889 and the Federal League existed in 1914. Also the FL did not have an Indianapolis team.

There are four to go.

[nyy26wc]

George Haddock and Cy Young are correct.

Larry McKeon is not correct. For some reason the SBE shows hims as the winningest pitcher of the Indianapolis team of the Federal League. Mckeon played from 1884-1889 and the Federal League existed in 1914. Also the FL did not have an Indianapolis team.

There are four to go.

1) I just found a typo in the code. Hoosiers was typed incorrectly, which meant that the code wouldn't recognize you picking that team.

For the Hoosiers (and only for them)--if you had previously already chosen a team, got your chart and then are selecting the next team, whatever was the previous team is what list you will get. So, you got McKeon because he was the answer for the Indianapolis Hoosiers, American Association version.

If you hadn't just chosen a team and went straight to the Hoosiers, it would be the equivalent of no team chosen at all, which would then give you the all time leaders, which would then put Cy Young at the top.

Unfortunately, this error can't be fixed via a patch. The problem's been fixed for orders going forward from now. If anyone wants a replacement CD to fix their copy, email me and I'll send you a new one.

2) The FL didn't just have a team in Indianapolis, they were the pennant winners in 1914.

From http://www.historicbaseball.com/federalleague.html

The 1914 Federal League championship was won by the Indianapolis Hoosiers, beating out the Chicago Whales by a game and a half. Franke LaPorte, second baseman for the Hoosiers, hit .311 for the season and drove in 107 runs. Outfielder Benny Kauff lead the league with a .370 average and stole 72 bases. Pitcher Cy Falkenberg led the team with a 24-16 record.

[KCBOOMER]

1) I just found a typo in the code. Hoosiers was typed incorrectly, which meant that the code wouldn't recognize you picking that team.

2) The FL didn't just have a team in Indianapolis, they were the pennant winners in 1914.


1) I don't see that as an error of any consequence.

2) Yes, Ind did win the FL championship in 1914 and then relocated to Newark to become the legendary Peppers of 1915. Unfortunately, Baseball-Reference.com didn't make that distinction clear when I was using it to research this question. My fault for not checking more carefully.

In either event Henry Boyle did not play in the Federal League.

[KCBOOMER]

Smed, I can't believe you aren't all over this question. These are your boys!!!

[KCBOOMER]

Their are four more, guys.

One of these pitchers was a team's career win leader with one win. He is The Only pitcher with that distinction who also was the career leader in wins for another team.

[gyb13]

pushing this up

[gyb13]

and once more

[YankeeLinks]

Where's Smed when we need him?

[KCBOOMER]

Gybby, the reason I haven't given any hints on this question is that it is a straightforward research question.

[gyb13]

oh, i know. i just haven't had more time to do the research, but don't want the q to get lost.

[TreAnt985]

Their are four more, guys.

One of these pitchers was a team's career win leader with one win. He is The Only pitcher with that distinction who also was the career leader in wins for another team.
The Only Nolan for the Indianapolis Blues and the Wilmington Quicksteps.

[TreAnt985]

Gus Weyhing?

[KCBOOMER]

The Only Nolan is one. He leads the Indianapolis Blues with 13 wins and the Wilmington Quick Steps with 1. Nolan only won 23 games in his career.

So is Gus Weyhing leads the Philadelphia Athletics (AA) with 115 wins abd the Brooklyn Wonders (PL) with 30. Gus was a very good pitcher with 264 career wins.

Only two left.

[TreAnt985]

Bobby Mathews

[TreAnt985]

Candy Cummings

[TreAnt985]

George Zettlein

[KCBOOMER]

I see no record of Cummings, Mathews, or Zettlein being a member of this group. A quick look shows why. They did this in the National Association which is not generally recognized as major league.

Still two to go. Be sure to mention the team.

[Craig S.]

How about Old Hoss Radbourn? He has the record for the Providence Grays, and I think he has it as well for the Boston Reds during their PL days.

[KCBOOMER]

Both George Haddock and Charlie Buffinton had more wins than Radbourn for the Boston Reds of the PL. Up above you will see that Gybby already took care of the Boston Reds.

[TreAnt985]

George Bradley with the St. Louis Brown Stockings and the Cincinnati Outlaw Reds.

[Craig S.]

Both George Haddock and Charlie Buffinton had more wins than Radbourn for the Boston Reds of the PL. Up above you will see that Gybby already took care of the Boston Reds.

Okay - makes sense - my confusion was with the fact that the Reds are considered the same franchise, despite playing in 2 seperate leagues.

[TreAnt985]

Bob Barr with the Rochester Hop-Bitters and the Washington Nationals (AA).

[KCBOOMER]

Okay - makes sense - my confusion was with the fact that the Reds are considered the same franchise, despite playing in 2 seperate leagues.


I am not sure we are sync here. The Boston Reds (Red Stockings) of the PL league are a separate franchise from any other Boston club. George Haddock is their career leader in wins with 34.

[KCBOOMER]

Tre, got the final two: Bob Barr of the Washington Nationals (AA) and the Rochester Hop-Biters and George Bradley of the St. Louis Brown Stockings and the Cincinnati Outlaw Reds.

[TreAnt985]

I am not sure we are sync here. The Boston Reds (Red Stockings) of the PL league are a separate franchise from any other Boston club. George Haddock is their career leader in wins with 34.
The 1890 Boston PL team is the same franchise as the 1891 Boston AA team. That's why Haddock is the all-time franchise leader, but Radbourn would be if you only consider the 1890 PL:
1890 BOS PL Win Leaders:
27-Radbourn
23-Gumbert

1891 BOS AA Win Leaders:
34-Haddock
29-Buffinton